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Toulon have built a massive money making brand. And are now winning the trophies to boot. I say fair play to them. They are self sufficient, which is a bit of a difference to Saracens and Man City. If one day those 2 are self sufficient then fair play.

Professional sport takes money to make money.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Iwlew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2014 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:



Toulon have built a massive money making brand. And are now winning the trophies to boot. I say fair play to them. They are self sufficient, which is a bit of a difference to Saracens and Man City. If one day those 2 are self sufficient then fair play.

Professional sport takes money to make money.

But what annoys me is the rugby they play, pen kick and drop goal Wilkinson, for the stars in the backline they have youd think theyd score more tries.
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Originally posted by Iwlew Iwlew wrote:

But what annoys me is the rugby they play, pen kick and drop goal Wilkinson, for the stars in the backline they have youd think theyd score more tries.


I guess I'm easily pleased. I'd take a couple of Heineken Cup trophies and a league title with a kicking game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2014 at 5:28pm
Whatever next ????

You'll have Governing bodies paying touring sides to come & play friendly international matches !

Oh wait ..... !
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As I am a pretty cynical sort, and just out of interest, when have things ever been any different?
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

As I am a pretty cynical sort, and just out of interest, when have things ever been any different?


I suppose players have always chased the glory, even in the amateur era. However, it wasn't as cut-throat in those days. Players would turn out for their local side and refuse to move to the glamour sides (not always, obviously).

Players like Billy James and Ray Gilles were mostly loyal to Aberavon (although James did end up at Swansea), Gwyn Evans at Maesteg (although Bateman joined Neath) and many others were loyal to Ebbw Vale, Newbridge, Cross Keys etc.
But there have always been the likes of Tommy David and Barry John leaving for glamour sides.

The same is true in football with players like Steve Bull at Wolves.

It just gladdens the heart to see players like Gerrard and Giggs/Scholes - although it helps they weren't Stockport or Tranmere players!

My original point, though, is the buying of success on such a scale that you end up mopping up players just to stop the opposition from having them. Toulon can call on Wilkinson, Giteau or Michelak at OH. Man City, and others, merely ship them out on loan.

With the money available in modern sports, the rich get richer etc. There are few sports which demonstrate this more than F1. Hell, even darts is big bucks these days!

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Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

As I am a pretty cynical sort, and just out of interest, when have things ever been any different?


I suppose players have always chased the glory, even in the amateur era. However, it wasn't as cut-throat in those days. Players would turn out for their local side and refuse to move to the glamour sides (not always, obviously).

Players like Billy James and Ray Gilles were mostly loyal to Aberavon (although James did end up at Swansea), Gwyn Evans at Maesteg (although Bateman joined Neath) and many others were loyal to Ebbw Vale, Newbridge, Cross Keys etc.
But there have always been the likes of Tommy David and Barry John leaving for glamour sides.

The same is true in football with players like Steve Bull at Wolves.

It just gladdens the heart to see players like Gerrard and Giggs/Scholes - although it helps they weren't Stockport or Tranmere players!

My original point, though, is the buying of success on such a scale that you end up mopping up players just to stop the opposition from having them. Toulon can call on Wilkinson, Giteau or Michelak at OH. Man City, and others, merely ship them out on loan.

With the money available in modern sports, the rich get richer etc. There are few sports which demonstrate this more than F1. Hell, even darts is big bucks these days!


Definitely take (and agree with) your point: it's the gap between rich and poor widening so much now that's made sport what it is today; seen it in football for ages and are seeing it in rugby now. I think it's great seeing the resurgence of Liverpool this year for the sake of variety to challenge Chelsea, Man City and Man U with their billionaire backers, however, they've only been able to achieve that as the result of a huge investment from their own new billionaire backer. 

I do agree the money in sport (football especially) seems ludicrous and so disproportionate to the real world. My comment was mainly alluding to there being a tendency to romanticise the past, and there have always been rich clubs and thus players attracted to them to also improve their salaries. Was on a QI when apparently the richest sportsperson ever was a charioteer from ancient Rome. So F1 drivers now having huge salaries is probably not really any different.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2014 at 8:37pm
Top posting. Too many to thank.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr_martinov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2014 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Top posting. Too many to thank.

Ah go on.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2014 at 8:57pm
the game needs strong regulations and strong regulators , just as the economy at large needs them. The trouble is who regulates the regulators? who limits them getting too wasteful , too self serving and too powerful? Its like the movie casino , where everyone is watching everyone and the eye in the sky is watching them all (the cameras) and still millions were being smuggled back to the old boys in little italy.....sadly we dont have an ace rothstein character running the ship
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It comes to something when spending £50 million in a summer is a quiet one for the big clubs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mundoscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2014 at 5:35pm
Got to disagree with you on Liverpool here. Just had a quick look at soccer base that shows the transfers for teams going back seasons . The last 3 years Liverpool spent between 35-40 per season, that's on average 6-7 players per year. Average around 6.5-7 million per man which is very little in the big scheme. Biggest spend was 97 million in 09-10 but they recouped 73.1 in sale of players too. John Henry realises what lfc means to the fans, hence redeveloping of a field to 58,500 within 2 years but he also reduced 300 million of debt. There aren't many clubs in the premiership run properly now, rather than a rich mans plaything.
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