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supertaf ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 August 2004 Location: Down the Parc Status: Offline Points: 9079 |
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Quote from the web:-
It is similar to the use of the word "nigga" in urban communities in the United States. For example, one might say to a friend, "Negro ¿Como andas? (literally "Hey, black one, how are you doing?"). In this case, the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning "pal", "buddy" or "friend". Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to "sweetheart," or "dear" in English
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 13251 |
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I doubt Suarez was using the word in any of those contexts. Remember this was allegedly used when he was being aggressive and abusive towards Evra; it's not as though he was trying to say "how's it going pal?" and it was misunderstood. It's an interesting discussion about what is racist or not and this revolves around factors such as not just the word itself but the context in which it's used and also the people involved and their relationship with each other. For example, the word "nigga" may well be used within certain urban communities as a term of endearment, yet it's not acceptable to shout it at a relative stranger when you're annoyed with them, is it? Even the terms "sweetheart" and "dear", which initially appear innocuous, can be used in incredibly sexist and offensive manners.
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SMELLYMIKE ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Apple rule Joined: 11 September 2005 Location: Ozzyland Status: Offline Points: 27403 |
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iTS LIKE ME CALLING YOU A SHORT ARSE..yOU ARE BUT YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT
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lofty evans ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 September 2007 Location: Gorseinon Status: Offline Points: 52799 |
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And you have a bigger belly than me, you may not like it, but tough big boy from the Pink......Merry Christmas alleyman.... |
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
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A Evans ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 March 2005 Location: Lan y Mor Status: Offline Points: 11309 |
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This whole argument can be summed up by one thing. If your a Liverpool fan you back him, if you aint you dont, simple.
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We are Con Air. You will be assimilated. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
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Gary Coleman ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Who are we? Joined: 31 August 2004 Location: Lao People?s Dem. Rep. Status: Offline Points: 5359 |
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Isn't buying black people illegal since 1833? |
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 13251 |
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An official document on the ban has been released:
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx Summary is on page 111. Two very different stories about what was said during Evra and Suarez coming together - in Evra's case Suarez is clearly being abusive, and includes the colour of Evra's skin as part of this abuse, whereas in Suarez's version he is diffusing the situation by use of the word negrito in a friendly way and by pinching Evra (page 5). Suarez's version was not believed and the evidence he gave along with his performance as a witness was seen as unreliable.
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Turkish Fez ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 October 2005 Location: Ruislip, Middx. Status: Offline Points: 8560 |
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I work in London and have a lot to do with the South American Community and it is common for Colombian's for instance to refer to small Black Colombian friends as Negrito, some even have it as there nickname.
Blimey it was not that long ago that Sean Fitpatrick caused a storm playing against England when he said when Victor Ubogu came on the pitch 'lets see if the Black B-----d can scrum!'. He was AB captain and probably the most respected players in the world and a strong supporter of Ethnic culture and differences.
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We all had Doctor's papers!
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Rob o'r Bont ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Dr. Optimist Joined: 03 May 2008 Location: Bont Status: Offline Points: 14292 |
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We draw the line at what people actually believe to be offensive, and here the word was found to be offensive and a complaint made. Had nobody complained, then fair enough, but a complaint was made, which is grounds enough. The point about racism is that it doesn't matter whether the person who made the remark was a racist or not, and it doesn't matter whether they intended to offend or not. What matters is that offense was taken by another person. It doesn't even have to be the person that the word was aimed at, who was offended. That person might not be offended; but if someone in the crowd, or watching on TV took offense, then that is also grounds for charging someone. Edited by Rob o'r Bont - 14 January 2012 at 8:47am |
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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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gnasher1975 ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1931 |
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If you are suspending somebody for being racist and not taking his background or culture into account in any way shape or form is that not a form of racism in itself??
Graham taylor is quoted as saying "That means not just the rules of the game but what's acceptable as the law of the land, and what isn't acceptable both on and off the pitch. This is about treating people equally." When Evra has openly admitted he was abusive to suarez and said personal things about his family. So when is Evra going to be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. |
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Abbey ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 November 2004 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13193 |
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So Evra gets booed when he returns to Anfield. Liverpool obviously has a problem with reality, as does Kenny Dalglish.
At the press conference after the game, he was asked if he felt any sympathy for Evra considering the abuse he was subjected to by the fans (one of which has been arrested, by the way). He responded by saying "Are you winding me up? Why would I be disappointed for Patrice Evra?" He went on to talk about how he'd been booed as a footballer (what, exactly, does that have to do with it?). He then asked if anyone had any more questions about the actual game when he was asked, again, about the Evra treatment: "You don't see it as an issue that a player who has been racially abused has then been abused by the crowd?" His answer? "I cannot believe you asked that question.......the fans are entitled to support their team, no problem, a bit of banter between two teams, and I don't think there was anything there that was untoward". Dalglish (and the Liverpool fans, for that matter) obviously have serious issues. You'd have thought that Dalglish, having dealt with the matter so appalingly originally would have had time to reflect and offer some kind of tacit apology or even a minor acknowledgement of wrongdoing but apprently not. Perhaps the Man Utd chants to Liverpool of "Always the victim, never your fault" was spot on. Perhaps, also, Dalglish is so steeped in the sectarian nonsense of Glasgow that he can't see what's wrong with his supporters booing someone that was racially abused by one of his players. Whatever respect I may have had for Kenny Dalglish has now been completely destroyed. |
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y ddraig bwyd ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 December 2004 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 1767 |
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Agree totally Abbey
![]() Dalglish no longer has any credability and the chant "always the victim, never your fault" really does sum up Liverpool FC as history proves!! |
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y ddraig bwyd
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