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    Posted: 22 December 2011 at 8:16am
The support shown last night for Suarez has baffled me. Is it really that honourable for players to wear t-shirts in support of a colleague found guilty of racism? If any of my colleagues uttered any kind of racist remark I would make sure they were sacked and not show unstinting support.

Terry, on the other hand, may be innocent - the truth will out in due course. But most professionals would find themselves suspended on full pay if they were on such a charge (think teachers, police etc). All the press seem to care about is whether he should continue as England captain.

Racism is one of the most abhorrent things a society can tollerate - whatever form it takes or to whoever it is directed at. I think football writers and players have lost sight of that fact.

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Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

The support shown last night for Suarez has baffled me. Is it really that honourable for players to wear t-shirts in support of a colleague found guilty of racism? If any of my colleagues uttered any kind of racist remark I would make sure they were sacked and not show unstinting support.

Terry, on the other hand, may be innocent - the truth will out in due course. But most professionals would find themselves suspended on full pay if they were on such a charge (think teachers, police etc). All the press seem to care about is whether he should continue as England captain.

Racism is one of the most abhorrent things a society can tollerate - whatever form it takes or to whoever it is directed at. I think football writers and players have lost sight of that fact.

Feel free to disagree, but I WILL judge you (ha ha!!)





 
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I can only think his colleagues know what really happenend and they genuinely feel he has been treated unfairly.

The written report will be very interesting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A Evans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:42am
Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I can only think his colleagues know what really happenend and they genuinely feel he has been treated unfairly.

The written report will be very interesting.
He himself has admitted to using the word that caused the fuss but he says it's an acceptable term in his country. Not in your country now son.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abbey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:46am
It also makes you wonder why the BBC keeps pixelating out Terry's outburst on the TV. I suppose in-case someone can lip-read and take offence.

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ok... I'm going to be a devil's advocate here.

If that was a court case then it would have been thrown out before even getting there.

The case was totally on the hearsay of Evra (a character with shall we say a chequered past, unproven racist remarks by a Chelsea groundsman, a player that goes on strike at the world cup).

now Evra has admitted that he had also verbally abused Suarez in spanish at the game, but no charges have been brought up for him...

to me and this is how I feel.. it is a concerted attack by Man Utd against a liverpool player that they fear very very much....

we all have language difficulties and some things in welsh would be a front to english people..

to call Suarez a racist when he himself is of mixed raced origin is laughable
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this is also quite alarming

Alan Hansen is in hot water for saying the word coloured on Match of the Day last night...
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

ok... I'm going to be a devil's advocate here.

If that was a court case then it would have been thrown out before even getting there.

The case was totally on the hearsay of Evra (a character with shall we say a chequered past, unproven racist remarks by a Chelsea groundsman, a player that goes on strike at the world cup).

now Evra has admitted that he had also verbally abused Suarez in spanish at the game, but no charges have been brought up for him...

to me and this is how I feel.. it is a concerted attack by Man Utd against a liverpool player that they fear very very much....

we all have language difficulties and some things in welsh would be a front to english people..

to call Suarez a racist when he himself is of mixed raced origin is laughable
mate your an intelligent guy but that is total nonsence.
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Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

The support shown last night for Suarez has baffled me. Is it really that honourable for players to wear t-shirts in support of a colleague found guilty of racism? If any of my colleagues uttered any kind of racist remark I would make sure they were sacked and not show unstinting support.

Terry, on the other hand, may be innocent - the truth will out in due course. But most professionals would find themselves suspended on full pay if they were on such a charge (think teachers, police etc). All the press seem to care about is whether he should continue as England captain.

Racism is one of the most abhorrent things a society can tollerate - whatever form it takes or to whoever it is directed at. I think football writers and players have lost sight of that fact.

Feel free to disagree, but I WILL judge you (ha ha!!)

Just noticed this, yes it is pretty baffling, I agree. I wonder if it's part of the mentality of football - even if guilty, you will say you're innocent and appeal. Look at football players protesting they didn't dive, didn't foul etc. even when it's blatantly obvious they did. And their team mates and fans back them up 100%. Not really surprising this extends into accusations of racism as well. 

You are comparing football to normal professions, which unfortunately I don't think really works. Football players are similar to rock stars in that they are exempt from the normal rules of accepted social behaviour and are too rich, famous and idolised to be as easily sacked. There are different rules for different jobs, I'm afraid. Football players are allowed to do as much coke, bang as many prostitutes, set off as many fire works in their own houses, and be as abusive as they like with the minimum of punishment. 

At least something IS being done here. I wonder how many of these type of things have gone completely unreported because the victim knows nothing would ever happen?

Taylor's comments were interesting:

Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor said: "It's important that when players come to this country they appreciate that while we are very culturally diverse, very cosmopolitan, that's it's also a job for the PFA and the FA and the clubs themselves to educate them.

"That means not just the rules of the game but what's acceptable as the law of the land, and what isn't acceptable both on and off the pitch. This is about treating people equally."

Taylor also revealed how attempts by his organisation to mediate between Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra failed.

"I didn't want [the case] to escalate, but I wasn't able to get the players together," Taylor said.




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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

ok... I'm going to be a devil's advocate here.

If that was a court case then it would have been thrown out before even getting there.

The case was totally on the hearsay of Evra (a character with shall we say a chequered past, unproven racist remarks by a Chelsea groundsman, a player that goes on strike at the world cup).

now Evra has admitted that he had also verbally abused Suarez in spanish at the game, but no charges have been brought up for him...

to me and this is how I feel.. it is a concerted attack by Man Utd against a liverpool player that they fear very very much....

we all have language difficulties and some things in welsh would be a front to english people..

to call Suarez a racist when he himself is of mixed raced origin is laughable

People of mixed race can be racist you know.
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

ok... I'm going to be a devil's advocate here.

If that was a court case then it would have been thrown out before even getting there.

The case was totally on the hearsay of Evra (a character with shall we say a chequered past, unproven racist remarks by a Chelsea groundsman, a player that goes on strike at the world cup).

now Evra has admitted that he had also verbally abused Suarez in spanish at the game, but no charges have been brought up for him...

to me and this is how I feel.. it is a concerted attack by Man Utd against a liverpool player that they fear very very much....

we all have language difficulties and some things in welsh would be a front to english people..

to call Suarez a racist when he himself is of mixed raced origin is laughable

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that's it SA14. I'm calling the police as you are being racist to the Cornish..

perhaps any welshman called Taffy by the english should also call the police or scotsmen called Jock....

very ropey ground....

Doc, Suarez played last year for Ajax with one of the largest compliment of black people in the league...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abbey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2011 at 11:17am
Good point regarding football not being like other professions.

Perhaps I've started this thread and imposed my own morals. I did cringe at Terry's statement which was "some of my best friends are black".

I do see where Sal is coming from as one person can say "you're a ******" and the other will say "and you're a black ******" but I personally feel that there is no two ways about racism.

My main point was that the Liverpool players went out of their way to support someone who had been found guilty of racism and I find that a little disturbing as it condones the action.

By the way, "coloured" is a stupid term used by grannies and was stamped out when Love thy Neighbour and It aint Half Hot Mum were booted off the TV along with the odious Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning. Hansen should know better as the term infers that someone is different with a "colour" but we're "normal".


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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

that's it SA14. I'm calling the police as you are being racist to the Cornish..

perhaps any welshman called Taffy by the english should also call the police or scotsmen called Jock....

very ropey ground....

Doc, Suarez played last year for Ajax with one of the largest compliment of black people in the league...
ron atkinson bought black players, too
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

that's it SA14. I'm calling the police as you are being racist to the Cornish..

perhaps any welshman called Taffy by the english should also call the police or scotsmen called Jock....

very ropey ground....

Doc, Suarez played last year for Ajax with one of the largest compliment of black people in the league...
 
 
But that doesnt mean he wasnt naughty like,,
 
 
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Apologists for Suarez say that he was only using language acceptable at home in Uraguay. The Times sums this up perfectly:

"Suarez maintained that the word negrito, which he admitted calling Evra on a number of occasions, is a strictly neutral term which is widely used at home in Uraguay. Quite why, in the course of an evidently heated argument, Suarez felt the need to point out the colour of Evra's skin, he was unable to explain".


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