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Forum Name: SUPPORTERS TRUST NEWS
Forum Description: Latest News from the upcoming Supporters Trust
URL: https://www.scarletfever.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6622
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Topic: Other Sites and Info
Posted By: wizard
Subject: Other Sites and Info
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 11:46pm

http://www.supporters-direct.org/ - http://www.supporters-direct.org/

Have a look at http:// http://www.calltoarms.co.uk - www.calltoarms.co.uk   - it's the Cardiff ST website.

for newport  http://www.fonr.co.uk/ - http://www.fonr.co.uk/

for bristol  http://www.brist.org.uk/index.php?id=9 - http://www.brist.org.uk/index.php?id=9




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Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: 02 February 2006 at 12:33am

Looked on the Supporters Direct website and found the handbook.

Beleive its the same one that Phil showed us tonight

http://www.scarletfever.org/forum/uploads/wizard/2006-02-02_003210_Trust_Handbook.pdf - 2006-02-02_003210_Trust_Handbook.pdf

and its FAQ

http://www.scarletfever.org/forum/uploads/wizard/2006-02-02_003250_FAQ.pdf - 2006-02-02_003250_FAQ.pdf



Posted By: Mike
Date Posted: 02 February 2006 at 1:08pm

Good stuff Wiz - lets all have a read of the handbook over the weekend and next week start listing some actions points for a possible meeting the week after?



Posted By: Nikostratos
Date Posted: 02 February 2006 at 11:57pm
Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

Good stuff Wiz - lets all have a read of the handbook over the weekend and next week start listing some actions points for a possible meeting the week after?



Sounds about right to me.


Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 03 February 2006 at 9:38am

I think that the first paragraph of the Bristol Trust sums it up really. As was said in the meeting, we need to avoid being a clique, in the pockets of the club and being antagonistic to the club. It's going to be a tough call.

As Phil said, the constitution can just be lifted (as most have done). We need to work out how we can sell this to both the supporters and the region's management.

It was very nice to meet you all. I'm sorry I was quiet. Was not feeling 100% and I'm off sick now! Mind you, there was a lot to take in as well.



Posted By: ursamajor
Date Posted: 03 February 2006 at 10:25am
Can I suggest we each think of a few other individuals for the next meeting. Scarletrover,philturk, pwllender, tonduturk among others who have expressed interest in getting involved. Maybe we all know of others who are not regulars on here, if so, then invite them along.
Despite not wantg 'too many cooks' as it were, at this stage I think we need a few more before moving forward.


Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: 03 February 2006 at 11:11am

Ok, if I remember Phill, mentioned something about sending a mail to the guys at the Bristol Rugby trust, asking them for guidance, info etc.

(I can check on the Dictaphone later what he said.)

He suggested doing it from a scarletfever.org email account, o that they can see it is a genuine enquire.

Is this something we want to do, if so does someone want to right something, post it on here and then I can send it on from the mailto:sf@scarletfever.org - sf@scarletfever.org email account.



Posted By: Taffscarlet
Date Posted: 03 February 2006 at 5:14pm
Wiz you sly dog - you didn't say that we were being recorded!!

Ursa - I agree with getting a few more on board. It's a tricky call between  allegations of being a clique and too many cooks. But on balance i think we should try and get a few more on board. Since Philturk did start a thread on it, and he seems to have a relevant background to this type of thing, it would be politically wise to get him on board.

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Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: 03 February 2006 at 6:47pm

Originally posted by Taffscarlet Taffscarlet wrote:

Wiz you sly dog - you didn't say that we were being recorded!!

Ursa - I agree with getting a few more on board. It's a tricky call between  allegations of being a clique and too many cooks. But on balance i think we should try and get a few more on board. Since Philturk did start a thread on it, and he seems to have a relevant background to this type of thing, it would be politically wise to get him on board.

Ah I couldn't write everything down, so I turned one on.



Posted By: Nikostratos
Date Posted: 04 February 2006 at 1:02am
I'm slightly concerned that we don't have : a] any women in our number and b] anyone without close links to the Llanelli area.  I'm not being "PC", but the easiest way to avoid being percieved as a clique is to have as diverse a group as possible.  There was a "Judith" on the forum a while ago who was from N. Wales and may be a woman does anyone else think it might be a good idea to invite her to join at this stage? 
With [tomorrow: today now] being an international day, it might be a good opportunity to get in touch with people we don't see on a regular basis; if I see anyone who might be interested, I'll sound them out.



Posted By: Nikostratos
Date Posted: 04 February 2006 at 1:03am
Originally posted by Taffscarlet Taffscarlet wrote:

Wiz you sly dog - you didn't say that we were being recorded!!

Ursa - I agree with getting a few more on board. It's a tricky call between  allegations of being a clique and too many cooks. But on balance i think we should try and get a few more on board. Since Philturk did start a thread on it, and he seems to have a relevant background to this type of thing, it would be politically wise to get him on board.

Yes, that sounds like a good idea to me, too.


Posted By: M.M.
Date Posted: 04 February 2006 at 1:43pm
 Sut mae, bois. Nice to meet you all last Wednesday. I spoke to Jacqui Forster of Supporters Direct on Thursday. Very helpful and enthusiastic. She's promised me 3 hard copies of the handbook this week. I'll let you know when they arrive.


Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 04 February 2006 at 7:01pm

Originally posted by Nikostratos Nikostratos wrote:

I'm slightly concerned that we don't have : a] any women in our number and b] anyone without close links to the Llanelli area.  I'm not being "PC", but the easiest way to avoid being percieved as a clique is to have as diverse a group as possible.  There was a "Judith" on the forum a while ago who was from N. Wales and may be a woman does anyone else think it might be a good idea to invite her to join at this stage? 
With [tomorrow: today now] being an international day, it might be a good opportunity to get in touch with people we don't see on a regular basis; if I see anyone who might be interested, I'll sound them out.

I think that's a couple of very good points. There could be a little difficulty with arranging meetings with someone from North Wales but it's an avenue that should be considered. Although it seemed that few of us were from the town of Llanelli itself, many were still fairly local or originated locally (Tumble, Ammanford, Llandovery?).

Do we know any regular that has a useful profession (lawyer or accountant)? I'm not saying that they should be on a busman's holiday but may be able to offer sound advice. Sorry, I don't think my science degrees offer any assistance there!

 



Posted By: ursamajor
Date Posted: 05 February 2006 at 10:46pm
Judith was the Wrecsam/North Wales contact for the Supporters Club in the first year of the region.She handed the position over to James Manuel (wrecsamscarlet) when she had a baby I think. James subsequently moved to Llanelli. I could always ask her how she feels about getting involved with a supporters trust, though as Abbey mentions, the distance might be a problem.

Another Judith 'misscarlet' is Carmarthen based and was willing to get involved with the Carmarthen branch of the SC. I think she might be a keen contributor.

Ideally we do need professional people with some legal knowledge on board.



Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: 06 February 2006 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by wizard wizard wrote:

Ok, if I remember Phill, mentioned something about sending a mail to the guys at the Bristol Rugby trust, asking them for guidance, info etc.

(I can check on the Dictaphone later what he said.)

He suggested doing it from a scarletfever.org email account, o that they can see it is a genuine enquire.

Is this something we want to do, if so does someone want to right something, post it on here and then I can send it on from the mailto:sf@scarletfever.org - sf@scarletfever.org email account.

Ok Bob sent me a letter this(last) weekend, I have now sent that on to the Bristol guys. will let you know of any response.



Posted By: Nikostratos
Date Posted: 07 February 2006 at 1:04am
Originally posted by ursamajor ursamajor wrote:

Judith was the Wrecsam/North Wales contact for the Supporters Club in the first year of the region.She handed the position over to James Manuel (wrecsamscarlet) when she had a baby I think. James subsequently moved to Llanelli. I could always ask her how she feels about getting involved with a supporters trust, though as Abbey mentions, the distance might be a problem.

Another Judith 'misscarlet' is Carmarthen based and was willing to get involved with the Carmarthen branch of the SC. I think she might be a keen contributor.

Ideally we do need professional people with some legal knowledge on board.



I can see the point about distance being a problem.  It may be an idea to consider the implications of this at a meeting [not necessarily the next one] and see if we can come up with a solution or a position on participation of the wider Scarlets region at this stage of the Trust's development. Judith "Missscarlet" sounds like a good idea, Gar; could you contact her and see what she thinks?  Judith "North Wales" may not work out, so I suggest we hold off there for now.

I also agree that we need/could do with legal expertise etc.  If anyone has any suggestions here, that would be a good point for the next meeting to consider.




Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 07 February 2006 at 7:32pm

Has there been any more interest from other members yet? What kind of numbers are we looking at?

Just one request, please? Can we make sure that Scarlet Pimpernel never gets involved with this in a serious capacity? I've had just about enough of his negativity and drama queenery.



Posted By: Mike
Date Posted: 07 February 2006 at 8:33pm

Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Can we make sure that Scarlet Pimpernel never gets involved with this in a serious capacity?

Motion seconded, motion carried.



Posted By: Taffscarlet
Date Posted: 07 February 2006 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Has there been any more interest from other members yet? What kind of numbers are we looking at?

Just one request, please? Can we make sure that Scarlet Pimpernel never gets involved with this in a serious capacity? I've had just about enough of his negativity and drama queenery.



Unless he's a contract lawyer and a chartered accountant rolled into one then I agree!

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Daw dydd ni bydd mwy y rhai mawr.


Posted By: Nikostratos
Date Posted: 07 February 2006 at 10:00pm
Originally posted by Taffscarlet Taffscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Has there been any more interest from other members yet? What kind of numbers are we looking at?

Just one request, please? Can we make sure that Scarlet Pimpernel never gets involved with this in a serious capacity? I've had just about enough of his negativity and drama queenery.



Unless he's a contract lawyer and a chartered accountant rolled into one then I agree!

I think you'd have to add multimillionaire to that


Posted By: Nikostratos
Date Posted: 07 February 2006 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Has there been any more interest from other members yet? What kind of numbers are we looking at?

Just one request, please? Can we make sure that Scarlet Pimpernel never gets involved with this in a serious capacity? I've had just about enough of his negativity and drama queenery.



I've e-mailed one [tidy] person I know is a big fan [not professionally useful,  I'm afraid] but had no reply yet.  There are a couple of others I have in mind, but I'm not in regular contact with them, so I'll ask them if/when I see them [one of these is a solicitor].   
I reckon 10 to 15 would be  reasonable; not unwieldy, but enough to spread the load a bit and include some useful professionals.


Posted By: ursamajor
Date Posted: 07 February 2006 at 10:15pm
I'm waiting to speak face to face with a couple over the next few days. Both have sound credentials in financial/legal practice. Both thoroughly dependable  people and lifelong Scarlet supporters. Both old friends. Phil Cooper and Phil Roberts, in case anyone knows them. Whether they have the time to get involved is another matter, but no harm in asking.


Posted By: ursamajor
Date Posted: 07 February 2006 at 10:23pm
Phil Cooper used to play for Brazil by the way....

No 8, no less. Seriously!


Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: 09 February 2006 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by wizard wizard wrote:

Originally posted by wizard wizard wrote:

Ok, if I remember Phill, mentioned something about sending a mail to the guys at the Bristol Rugby trust, asking them for guidance, info etc.

(I can check on the Dictaphone later what he said.)

He suggested doing it from a scarletfever.org email account, o that they can see it is a genuine enquire.

Is this something we want to do, if so does someone want to right something, post it on here and then I can send it on from the mailto:sf@scarletfever.org - sf@scarletfever.org email account.

Ok Bob sent me a letter this(last) weekend, I have now sent that on to the Bristol guys. will let you know of any response.

Got a reply back today

Wayne,

Congratulations on deciding on an excellent model to help your club and rugby in
your local area out.  I or one of my colleagues would be more than happy to
share experiences with you, please give me a contact number and I'll be in
touch.  I am pretty busy at the moment working away from home during the week
so please expect to get a call one evening when I've got some time.  It would
be useful if you could let me know anything in particular that you would like
to know.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards,

Andrew Humphreys
Chairman
07710 782993

Anyone want to be the contact. I havent had much time to look at the handbook this week, so one of you may be a better option than me.

Original mail is below

Quoting sf@scarletfever.org:

> Hello,
>
> I am writing to you on behalf of a group of supporters of the Llanelli
> Scarlets.  We intend to set up a supporters trust and having visited a
> number
> of sites of such trusts, we were particularly impressed by your set-up. It
> seems very efficient and professional. 
>
> We are currently at the stage of having decided to form a trust [at an
> informal meeting last week] and are planning our next moves. We would be
> very
> grateful for any advice or assistance you could give us. The process looks
> quite daunting and I am sure that if you would share some of your
> experiences
> with us, it would be of great benefit



Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 10 February 2006 at 10:03am

If no-one else wants to speak to this man, I'd be happy to. If anyone else particularly wants to follow it up, then fine.

What was the email address he used? I see there's a mobile number but it would be good to have two forms of contact.

 



Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: 10 February 2006 at 10:16am

it was

  mailto:andyh@obsidian.org.uk - andyh@obsidian.org.uk

I can send him another mail if you want saying that he'll will be speaking to you instead. If you want.

I also cc'd the original mail to mailto:enquires@brist.org.uk - enquires@brist.org.uk

But only had the mail back from his own account.

he is their chairman.



Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 10 February 2006 at 11:59am
Thanks Wayne.


Posted By: Mike
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 6:06pm

Guys, I have had a manic week and next week is no better. I am in London for a couple of days and have to write and prepare a Best Man speech by Friday afternoon too! Then I'm going over to NI for a couple of nights, back Monday afternoon - then this thing will have my full and undivided attention!

Cheers

Mike



Posted By: ursamajor
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 11:59pm
Thanks to Barry (MM) for a copy of the handbook last night.
Jacqui Forster hasn't sent me the promised copy yet.

Maybe this next week would be a good time to finalise who we ask on board for the next round of informal talks?

I'm happy to meet anywhere.
I'll even ask Mrs major about opening the west wing of 'Major Towers' if Sarn Park services are unavailable...




Posted By: M.M.
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 8:14am
 Popeth yn iawn, Gareth. If anyone else wants a copy, I'll see what I can do.


Posted By: Taffscarlet
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 8:29am
Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

Guys, I have had a manic week and next week is no better. I am in London for a couple of days and have to write and prepare a Best Man speech by Friday afternoon too! Then I'm going over to NI for a couple of nights, back Monday afternoon - then this thing will have my full and undivided attention!

Cheers

Mike



I've been off radar for the last 10 days or so as well but should be able to catch up on things next week. So apologies for not having much input so far.

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