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Topic: Mark Orders
Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Subject: Mark Orders
Date Posted: 12 February 2021 at 4:15pm
I used to enjoy reading Orders' weekly column in the Evening Post years ago,but since that publication has disappeared so it seems,has any good sense he might have had.Certain Welsh players are shamelessly showered with praise in a never-ending stream of hyperbole:and,yes,they tend to be Ospreys.This kind of"journalism"does nobody any favours,and is nothing short of cringe-worthy.I hope the Scarlets improve and triumph next season and beyond,and smash the Ospreys off the park year on year,if only to keep this clown from crowing.




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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 12 February 2021 at 5:03pm
Totally agree dic i thought he was very good in the post and always seemed to hold us in high regard,since he is with the WOL he has become obsessed with them and is forever championing any number of english based players.


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 12 February 2021 at 8:18pm
I think journalism in general is down the pan. Less incentive to actually keep your readers interested with good content and it s more about the volume of clicks. 

So you end up with countless articles like:
Wales forgotten man playing in England
Player could be in wales squad 
Welsh qualified player does x 




Posted By: Rob Hunt
Date Posted: 12 February 2021 at 9:14pm
I haven’t read it for some years, but the Western Mail claiming to be the national newspaper of Wales is an embarrassment to the Nation. Both Ireland and Scotland have some newspapers of quality, the Irish Times and Scotsman for example. I’m not short of toilet paper so I won’t be rushing out to buy the Western Mail in the foreseeable future.


Posted By: PenScarlet
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 11:17am
Bigging  up Owen Watkins now 


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by PenScarlet PenScarlet wrote:

Bigging  up Owen Watkins now 

He had a good game. 


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by PenScarlet PenScarlet wrote:

Bigging  up Owen Watkins now 

He had a good game. 
Missed a very poor tackle on Hogg

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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by PenScarlet PenScarlet wrote:

Bigging  up Owen Watkins now 

He had a good game. 
Missed a very poor tackle on Hogg

And the tackle in the final seconds?


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by PenScarlet PenScarlet wrote:

Bigging  up Owen Watkins now 

He had a good game. 
Missed a very poor tackle on Hogg

And the tackle in the final seconds?
That was good but on the whole he was pretty poor. The midfield was a bit of a weakness for us yesterday. Halaholo coming on made a big difference 

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Posted By: PenScarlet
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by PenScarlet PenScarlet wrote:

Bigging  up Owen Watkins now 

He had a good game. 
Lol really he was poor , u think you need new glasses


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 5:01pm
Orders'new ploy is to justify some of his stupid superlatives by attributing them to social-media posts.Thus last week AWJ was "super-human",and this week an ankle tap from Watkins(who,like Tompkins,struggles much of the time to resemble an international player)was "a thing of beauty".


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 6:23pm
Damn, forgot. Watkins is Ospreys. Yes he’s rubbish. 


Posted By: PenScarlet
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 6:27pm
[QUOTE=SA14]Damn, forgot. Watkins is Ospreys. Yes he’s rubbish. [/QUO
Grow up , take it you don't believe people should have different opinions


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by PenScarlet PenScarlet wrote:

[QUOTE=SA14]Damn, forgot. Watkins is Ospreys. Yes he’s rubbish. [/QUO
Grow up , take it you don't believe people should have different opinions
I think that was a little jokette! Made me laugh anyway 😆


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 14 February 2021 at 8:02pm
Missed tackle aside i thougt watkin played well tbh


Posted By: tannerbankboy
Date Posted: 15 February 2021 at 4:22am
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by PenScarlet PenScarlet wrote:

Bigging  up Owen Watkins now 

He had a good game. 
Missed a very poor tackle on Hogg

And the tackle in the final seconds?
That was good but on the whole he was pretty poor. The midfield was a bit of a weakness for us yesterday. Halaholo coming on made a big difference 
midfield looked porous all game, dropped off tackles and not good enough.



Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 15 February 2021 at 8:10am
Watkin is a far better player than Tompkins but Halaholo is way better than either. He can actually see space and deliver passes to put quicker guys into that space. I am not sure whether Johny Williams possesses the all round distribution that Willis does but he is the next best available. 

Big test of Pivac's selection abilities around the corner. 


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 15 February 2021 at 11:57am
Originally posted by surfing-mtber surfing-mtber wrote:

Originally posted by PenScarlet PenScarlet wrote:

[QUOTE=SA14]Damn, forgot. Watkins is Ospreys. Yes he’s rubbish. [/QUO
Grow up , take it you don't believe people should have different opinions
I think that was a little jokette! Made me laugh anyway 😆

Pretty obvious really. 


Posted By: trinity60
Date Posted: 15 February 2021 at 6:53pm
He’s just picked Rhys Webb @ 9 and Watkin @12 v England 🤦‍♂️

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-team-should-picked-face-19843802" rel="nofollow - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-team-should-picked-face-19843802


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 15 February 2021 at 7:28pm
If he had his way, myler would be his 10 and captain. Lol. Did you hear his appraisal of him (i think after theblast osprey game?)Whst a muppet. And the editor of the WOL is wondering why their numbers are falling

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 15 February 2021 at 7:35pm
Re the last two posts, what on earth can you possibly say in his defence???!!!!

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Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 15 February 2021 at 8:41pm
Absolute joke of a journalist

Always starts his stories with absolute baffling bullpoo and then slowly moves on to declare his undying love for Tipuric..

His articles are very child like and offer no insight at all.


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Posted By: trinity60
Date Posted: 18 February 2021 at 6:37pm
He’s at it again 🤦‍♂️

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/ospreys-make-rhys-webb-captain-19867564" rel="nofollow - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/ospreys-make-rhys-webb-captain-19867564


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 18 February 2021 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by trinity60 trinity60 wrote:

He’s at it again 🤦‍♂️

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/ospreys-make-rhys-webb-captain-19867564" rel="nofollow - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/ospreys-make-rhys-webb-captain-19867564

An article about him being captain?

To be fair you can see a lot of journalists are bias to certain teams. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 18 February 2021 at 9:30pm
Booth backing his player publically good man management. Not sure orders has done much wrong in that article?


Posted By: Rob Hunt
Date Posted: 18 February 2021 at 9:52pm
Judging by the comments I’m amazed that so many Scarlet Fever members still read the rag. Does Andy Howell still write for them? As I mentioned in an earlier post I haven’t looked at it for some years and consider it to be an embarrassment to the country.


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 18 February 2021 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Booth backing his player publically good man management. Not sure orders has done much wrong in that article?

Viewed in isolation,perhaps not,but already since Saturday Orders has touted Webb both for the England game and for the Lions.Like some scrawling invertebrate,caught in a web of flattery,Orders' obsessive preoccupation with the Ospreys scrum-half is possibly his most worrying,and is rivalled only by his unrequited love for Tipuric:an all-consuming fixation.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 18 February 2021 at 10:15pm
Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 7:57am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 8:18am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.
Tipuric's "work" at the break-down has never been in the same league as our own James Davies,either.Cubby's turn-over prowess was coupled with excellence on the ball,Olympian excellence.In comparison to Tipuric however,Cubby has always been at a disadvantage in one key area:he's never been championed by somebody like Orders,never had the head-lines.Orders and his ilk have given Tipuric a pass when it comes to the break-down:not so Cubby......Who's injured now?


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 8:26am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.
Tipuric's "work" at the break-down has never been in the same league as our own James Davies,either.Cubby's turn-over prowess was coupled with excellence on the ball,Olympian excellence.In comparison to Tipuric however,Cubby has always been at a disadvantage in one key area:he's never been championed by somebody like Orders,never had the head-lines.Orders and his ilk have given Tipuric a pass when it comes to the break-down:not so Cubby......Who's injured now?
That's slightly unfair as tips has been a part of the ospreys since he burst on the scene whereas cubby couldn't get a look in until pivac arrived and gave him a chance.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 8:27am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.
Tipuric's "work" at the break-down has never been in the same league as our own James Davies,either.Cubby's turn-over prowess was coupled with excellence on the ball,Olympian excellence.In comparison to Tipuric however,Cubby has always been at a disadvantage in one key area:he's never been championed by somebody like Orders,never had the head-lines.Orders and his ilk have given Tipuric a pass when it comes to the break-down:not so Cubby......Who's injured now?

I do not disagree with you Dic about Cubby. A couple of years ago he would have been my selection at 7 for Wales but now unfortunately he is carrying injuries. The selections in the back row are about balance not necessarily about the 3 best players for the numbers. Tipuric gives a huge amount to the team & needs a player like Navidi to enhance our breakdown work. Botham is starting to make a big name for himself as a very robust destructive back rower so a back row of Botham, Navidi & Tipuric is not out of the question. I thought Faletau off the pace on immediate reflection after the Scotland game but the stats say otherwise - most metres made, most tackles. Who would be a selector. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 8:30am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.
Tipuric's "work" at the break-down has never been in the same league as our own James Davies,either.Cubby's turn-over prowess was coupled with excellence on the ball,Olympian excellence.In comparison to Tipuric however,Cubby has always been at a disadvantage in one key area:he's never been championed by somebody like Orders,never had the head-lines.Orders and his ilk have given Tipuric a pass when it comes to the break-down:not so Cubby......Who's injured now?
That's slightly unfair as tips has been a part of the ospreys since he burst on the scene whereas cubby couldn't get a look in until pivac arrived and gave him a chance.
I agree,you're right there-but I do think that for a number of years,when he was peer-less week in,week out,Cubby simply did not get the recognition he deserved.Orders and others bear some responsibility there.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 8:34am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.
Tipuric's "work" at the break-down has never been in the same league as our own James Davies,either.Cubby's turn-over prowess was coupled with excellence on the ball,Olympian excellence.In comparison to Tipuric however,Cubby has always been at a disadvantage in one key area:he's never been championed by somebody like Orders,never had the head-lines.Orders and his ilk have given Tipuric a pass when it comes to the break-down:not so Cubby......Who's injured now?
That's slightly unfair as tips has been a part of the ospreys since he burst on the scene whereas cubby couldn't get a look in until pivac arrived and gave him a chance.
I agree,you're right there-but I do think that for a number of years,when he was peer-less week in,week out,Cubby simply did not get the recognition he deserved.Orders and others bear some responsibility there.
with the greatest respect i doubt gatland picked his side based around orders's columns


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 8:38am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.
Tipuric's "work" at the break-down has never been in the same league as our own James Davies,either.Cubby's turn-over prowess was coupled with excellence on the ball,Olympian excellence.In comparison to Tipuric however,Cubby has always been at a disadvantage in one key area:he's never been championed by somebody like Orders,never had the head-lines.Orders and his ilk have given Tipuric a pass when it comes to the break-down:not so Cubby......Who's injured now?
That's slightly unfair as tips has been a part of the ospreys since he burst on the scene whereas cubby couldn't get a look in until pivac arrived and gave him a chance.
I agree,you're right there-but I do think that for a number of years,when he was peer-less week in,week out,Cubby simply did not get the recognition he deserved.Orders and others bear some responsibility there.
with the greatest respect i doubt gatland picked his side based around orders's columns

Point taken-I'll rein it in.....Wink
 




Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 9:15am
I'm a massive fan of Cubby he was superb for us a few seasons and he is great character, but breakdown aside tupric is better than him at every other facet of play and sadly for cubby  test match rugby was simply too physical for cubby and his body couldn't cope with it.
 
In saying that Warburton was always wales first pick ahead of both of them, he didn't have their all round skills but he was a physical beast and a great captain 
 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 9:17am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I'm a massive fan of Cubby he was superb for us a few seasons and he is great character, but breakdown aside tupric is better than him at every other facet of play and sadly for cubby  test match rugby was simply too physical for cubby and his body couldn't cope with it.
 
In saying that Warburton was always wales first pick ahead of both of them, he didn't have their all round skills but he was a physical beast and a great captain 
 

For me Warburton was a hybrid of Shingler & Tipuric. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 9:32am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I'm a massive fan of Cubby he was superb for us a few seasons and he is great character, but breakdown aside tupric is better than him at every other facet of play and sadly for cubby  test match rugby was simply too physical for cubby and his body couldn't cope with it.
 
In saying that Warburton was always wales first pick ahead of both of them, he didn't have their all round skills but he was a physical beast and a great captain 
 

I cannot agree with you about Cubby not having Tipuric's skills outside of the breakdown. For those two seasons in question Cubby was a complete 7. Both he and Tipuric had the skills to play regional rugby at 13 & Cubby was also a turnover king. Look back at his performances in the Olympics and you will see a rugby player at the very top of his profession. Warburton, for me, was always a 6 at International level and a bloody good 6 at that. Navidi is the guy who comes closest now for me to the Warburton of old. Ellis Jenkins will also contribute if & when he gets back to speed. It appears that he is going to start against Connacht this weekend which is wonderful news for Welsh rugby. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 9:41am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I'm a massive fan of Cubby he was superb for us a few seasons and he is great character, but breakdown aside tupric is better than him at every other facet of play and sadly for cubby  test match rugby was simply too physical for cubby and his body couldn't cope with it.
 
In saying that Warburton was always wales first pick ahead of both of them, he didn't have their all round skills but he was a physical beast and a great captain 
 

I don't think Cubby's injury issues can be attributed to international rugby-11 caps?How many starts?We've seen him dominate the break-down against Toulon,Saracens,top European outfits with international standard packs.The effect on his body has been cumulative,I'd have thought.As for other areas of his game,I think people will always have a genuine debate about him and Tipuric.For me-the main man.Best I've ever seen.



Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 9:44am
Cubby had great skills , good runner handler and a monster at the breakdown. He was superb in the Olympics until the final when the Fijians over powered him (as they did the rest of the uk team)
 
Tupric skills are as good if not better imo, he is a better defender, he is better in the line out and while not as physical as say warburton he was more physical then cubby and was  able to cope better with test match rugby
 
Tupric is likely to be selected for his 3rd lions tour, that says it all to me.
 
Cubby is a top level regional player who could hold his own with any in Europe but aside from that tour to argentina he has struggled with wales , the players are just too big for him.
 
Warburton was another monster at the breakdown and I agree him and tupric should have been played together more often
 
Jenkins another top player if he stays fit and gets back to form hell be back in the welsh team and he could well be the next skipper
 
 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 9:48am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I'm a massive fan of Cubby he was superb for us a few seasons and he is great character, but breakdown aside tupric is better than him at every other facet of play and sadly for cubby  test match rugby was simply too physical for cubby and his body couldn't cope with it.
 
In saying that Warburton was always wales first pick ahead of both of them, he didn't have their all round skills but he was a physical beast and a great captain 
 

I don't think Cubby's injury issues can be attributed to international rugby-11 caps?How many starts?We've seen him dominate the break-down against Toulon,Saracens,top European outfits with international standard packs.The effect on his body has been cumulative,I'd have thought.As for other areas of his game,I think people will always have a genuine debate about him and Tipuric.

 
His injuries only seemed to start when he was with team wales, not sure if that is due to the extra intensity at training , the increased level of physicality or as you say just general wear and tear that coincided with his selection for wales
 
 
I really rate cubby I think he has been brilliant for us and he would be close to my all time scarlets xv I just personally think tupric is better.
 
I would class cubby as a lyn jones footballing type 7 but as you correctly point out he was better at the breakdown


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 9:57am
As for Orders he has clearly been "brought onside" by the ospreys which is a pretty clever pr move
 
The likes of Davey and Howell are cheer leaders for the dragons
 
Simon Thomas seems to fawn over the blues to excess
 
Cmon steff get banging that scarlets drum :)


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 10:01am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I'm a massive fan of Cubby he was superb for us a few seasons and he is great character, but breakdown aside tupric is better than him at every other facet of play and sadly for cubby  test match rugby was simply too physical for cubby and his body couldn't cope with it.
 
In saying that Warburton was always wales first pick ahead of both of them, he didn't have their all round skills but he was a physical beast and a great captain 
 

I don't think Cubby's injury issues can be attributed to international rugby-11 caps?How many starts?We've seen him dominate the break-down against Toulon,Saracens,top European outfits with international standard packs.The effect on his body has been cumulative,I'd have thought.As for other areas of his game,I think people will always have a genuine debate about him and Tipuric.

 
His injuries only seemed to start when he was with team wales, not sure if that is due to the extra intensity at training , the increased level of physicality or as you say just general wear and tear that coincided with his selection for wales
 
 
I really rate cubby I think he has been brilliant for us and he would be close to my all time scarlets xv I just personally think tupric is better.
 
I would class cubby as a lyn jones footballing type 7 but as you correctly point out he was better at the breakdown

As I said it's a genuine debate,a great one to have-and I think people will argue the toss over Tipuric and Cubby for years to come-that's a great testament to the ability of both players.One question I'd pose,though-if Cubby is better at the break-down,doesn't that mean he's the stronger,physically more resilient player?


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 11:34am
My favourite Cubby moment(s). Semi final against Leinster, Steff is sent off, Cubby covering wing and flanker! His workrate that day was off the scale, possibly only Tips could have matched that type of performance.
Especially liked his chase of our kicks when on the wing, he terrorised the Leinster defenders, up on them so quickly and add to that the threat of his turnover skills. Loved it. 


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 11:53am
My favourite moment, just because he had an insane season with Beirne, Barclay & Shingler, was in the final when we beat Munster. As the clock ticked towards the red the ball is spilled in midfield & it falls to Cubby. Cue the commentator

"It falls to you know who, James Davies. Go on, score, you deserve it, you absolutely deserve it & so do the Scarlets."


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

My favourite moment, just because he had an insane season with Beirne, Barclay & Shingler, was in the final when we beat Munster. As the clock ticked towards the red the ball is spilled in midfield & it falls to Cubby. Cue the commentator

"It falls to you know who, James Davies. Go on, score, you deserve it, you absolutely deserve it & so do the Scarlets."

Yes that was a real belter. Can't remember a quality team being so comprehensively dismantled. They knew what was coming but were totally powerless to stop it. At that stage in his career Cubby was as close to being unplayable as any player I have seen since Barry John. 


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 19 February 2021 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.
Tipuric's "work" at the break-down has never been in the same league as our own James Davies,either.Cubby's turn-over prowess was coupled with excellence on the ball,Olympian excellence.In comparison to Tipuric however,Cubby has always been at a disadvantage in one key area:he's never been championed by somebody like Orders,never had the head-lines.Orders and his ilk have given Tipuric a pass when it comes to the break-down:not so Cubby......Who's injured now?

The number of times the word ‘was’ is used next to Cubby when comparing with Tipuric is the main thing here. Tipuric is a different league. 


Posted By: PenScarlet
Date Posted: 20 February 2021 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Can’t say i’m a webb fan, looks past it as a player and doesn’t come across as a good bloke tbh. Tupric is a top player seems a decent guy as well tbh

Webb has not been the same player since his Toulon experience for whatever reason. Tipuric remains one of the best all round rugby players in Europe. His tackle efficiency, work rate and lineout work are outstanding & if we ever get to play the offloading/support style that Pivac wants he will be an ideal link man. His work at the breakdown is not as good as Warburton, who was brilliant, but boy will we miss him when he is gone. He will remain the first back rower on the team sheet for a while.
Tipuric's "work" at the break-down has never been in the same league as our own James Davies,either.Cubby's turn-over prowess was coupled with excellence on the ball,Olympian excellence.In comparison to Tipuric however,Cubby has always been at a disadvantage in one key area:he's never been championed by somebody like Orders,never had the head-lines.Orders and his ilk have given Tipuric a pass when it comes to the break-down:not so Cubby......Who's injured now?

The number of times the word ‘was’ is used next to Cubby when comparing with Tipuric is the main thing here. Tipuric is a different league. 
Agree Tipuric never been as good as cubby at the breakdown


Posted By: PenScarlet
Date Posted: 20 February 2021 at 6:30pm
Now bigging up the Rhys Davies lol


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 7:33pm
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/the-nearest-thing-black-style-19914791%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/the-nearest-thing-black-style-19914791

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Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/the-nearest-thing-black-style-19914791%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/the-nearest-thing-black-style-19914791

He is at it again 
And Moody, himself a top-quality back rower in his prime, has now added his name to the Tipuric Appreciation Society.

He must be the founding member!


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 8:55pm
So I’ve looked at other journalists articles and they write as much on the Ospreys as he does. 


Posted By: The Predator
Date Posted: 26 February 2021 at 12:19am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

So I’ve looked at other journalists articles and they write as much on the Ospreys as he does. 
Don't get upset


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 26 February 2021 at 9:17am
Originally posted by The Predator The Predator wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

So I’ve looked at other journalists articles and they write as much on the Ospreys as he does. 
Don't get upset
 
Not sure he;s the one getting upset, orders is writing an article with a direct quote from a world cup winning back row forward praising tupric and people are getting wound up by it
 
Seems people like yourself are the folk getting upset tbhLOL


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 26 February 2021 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by The Predator The Predator wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

So I’ve looked at other journalists articles and they write as much on the Ospreys as he does. 
Don't get upset
 
Not sure he;s the one getting upset, orders is writing an article with a direct quote from a world cup winning back row forward praising tupric and people are getting wound up by it
 
Seems people like yourself are the folk getting upset tbhLOL

We can hardly accuse Mr Orders of bias when he is quoting others. Tipuric is extremely well thought of throughout the rugby world as his skill levels are obvious for all to see. Allied to a great skillset is his consistent levels of performance. In simple terms - a top player. 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 7:28am
keelan giles having the mark orders treatment today from osprorders today,damn fine player and very unlucky with injuries but how about a bit of balance?ashton hewitt has been in scintillating form also and seems to be as fast and lethal as keelan,so transparent orders.


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 9:20am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

keelan giles having the mark orders treatment today from osprorders today,damn fine player and very unlucky with injuries but how about a bit of balance?ashton hewitt has been in scintillating form also and seems to be as fast and lethal as keelan,so transparent orders.

Yes I've read the article and its stomach churning Dead

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Posted By: jimmywilde
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 9:54am
I'm just glad to see Giles back on the field.
Fwiw I think he is an excellent player.
I wish him well.


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 10:01am
Originally posted by jimmywilde jimmywilde wrote:

I'm just glad to see Giles back on the field.
Fwiw I think he is an excellent player.
I wish him well.
totally agree about seeing him back,the point was about order's man love for everything ospreylian a journalist should give a balanced view or go to work on the ospreys matchday programme.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 10:05am
A thread on this forum about his obsession on the Ospreys. He’d love it on here in that case. 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 10:23am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

A thread on this forum about his obsession on the Ospreys. He’d love it on here in that case. 
you'd be ****** for posts if these threads stopped.Big smile


Posted By: jimmywilde
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by jimmywilde jimmywilde wrote:

I'm just glad to see Giles back on the field.
Fwiw I think he is an excellent player.
I wish him well.
totally agree about seeing him back,the point was about order's man love for everything ospreylian a journalist should give a balanced view or go to work on the ospreys matchday programme.

I acknowledge that Orders can be ... a little excitable ... where the Ospreys are concerned but I think Giles was looking quality before his injuries.
Hopefully he can get back to that level.
Not looking for an argument but I would put him a notch or two above Hewitt.
Only my opinion, of course.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by jimmywilde jimmywilde wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by jimmywilde jimmywilde wrote:

I'm just glad to see Giles back on the field.
Fwiw I think he is an excellent player.
I wish him well.
totally agree about seeing him back,the point was about order's man love for everything ospreylian a journalist should give a balanced view or go to work on the ospreys matchday programme.

I acknowledge that Orders can be ... a little excitable ... where the Ospreys are concerned but I think Giles was looking quality before his injuries.
Hopefully he can get back to that level.
Not looking for an argument but I would put him a notch or two above Hewitt.
Only my opinion, of course.

He's an exciting talent but he ain't no LRZ.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by jimmywilde jimmywilde wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by jimmywilde jimmywilde wrote:

I'm just glad to see Giles back on the field.
Fwiw I think he is an excellent player.
I wish him well.
totally agree about seeing him back,the point was about order's man love for everything ospreylian a journalist should give a balanced view or go to work on the ospreys matchday programme.

I acknowledge that Orders can be ... a little excitable ... where the Ospreys are concerned but I think Giles was looking quality before his injuries.
Hopefully he can get back to that level.
Not looking for an argument but I would put him a notch or two above Hewitt.
Only my opinion, of course.

He's an exciting talent but he ain't no LRZ.
lrz is the most excitong young talent in the uk right now


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by jimmywilde jimmywilde wrote:

I'm just glad to see Giles back on the field.
Fwiw I think he is an excellent player.
I wish him well.

totally agree about seeing him back,the point was about order's man love for everything ospreylian a journalist
#
should give a balanced view or go to work on the ospreys matchday programme.


Maybe this is the HUGE Ospreys announcement we've been told to look forward to - in which case the Western Mule readers' gain is the Ospreys loss.


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 6:13pm
Hes posted about Rhys Webb today being injured and as such his lions spot is in jeapordy dear me 

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Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 23 March 2021 at 8:40pm
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/2021-six-nations-winners-losers-20229767%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/2021-six-nations-winners-losers-20229767

More rubbish from Mark 'Make a list of my own opinions ' Orders.

He has a go at online abusers, but has a sly dig at the Welsh coaching set up himself for not picking Owen Watkin.

How this man earns a living writing such poo is beyond me 


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Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 23 March 2021 at 9:32pm
Maybe he's got some devastating blackmail information on his boss or he's very cheap.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 23 March 2021 at 10:02pm
Not sure why people think he’s Ospreys obsessed. 


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 7:07am
Because of the ***** he writes. Not sure is youve read any of it, but if you have SA14 you will see why.

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 7:12am
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Because of the ***** he writes. Not sure is youve read any of it, but if you have SA14 you will see why.
he's got a big feature on the kids beating leinster today.


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 9:23am
[QUOTE=SA14]Not sure why people think he’s Ospreys obsessed. [/QUOTE

Read his articles. They are embarrassing. ]


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 9:46am
Was a big win for them in all honesty


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 10:17am
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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 10:46am
First this, and Steff on another thread, I think we need to be careful.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 11:14am
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

First this, and Steff on another thread, I think we need to be careful.

I don't see why, top article on WOL, which is incidentally written by Mark is "The potential Lions who could make the squad without playing a minute of 6 nations rugby". Who could the accompanying picture be? Ross Morriarty? Ellis Jenkins? No it's Rhys Webb....


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 11:36am
At the risk of defending an O’s player on here - websites like WOL test multiple leading pictures for every new article and have systems that use the one that gets the most clicks after 3/4 hours. 

It’s why Daily Mail articles always end up with a woman in a bikini on the front LOL


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 3:38pm
Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

[QUOTE=SA14]Not sure why people think he’s Ospreys obsessed. [/QUOTE

Read his articles. They are embarrassing. ]

In what respect?

If it’s that he only seems to write about the Ospreys, there’s a few journalists on there who it looks like are allocated to regions. Simon Thomas mainly does articles about us. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

At the risk of defending an O’s player on here - websites like WOL test multiple leading pictures for every new article and have systems that use the one that gets the most clicks after 3/4 hours. 

It’s why Daily Mail articles always end up with a woman in a bikini on the front LOL

... especially if the article is about how many children Mr Johnson has fathered...?


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

At the risk of defending an O’s player on here - websites like WOL test multiple leading pictures for every new article and have systems that use the one that gets the most clicks after 3/4 hours. 

It’s why Daily Mail articles always end up with a woman in a bikini on the front LOL
i don't know how i would have survived lockdown without the countless photos of amanda holden narrowly avoiding a wardrobe malfunction in her barely there outfit showing off her gym honed figure,not that i read it.LOLLOL


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 8:16pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

[QUOTE=SA14]Not sure why people think he’s Ospreys obsessed. [/QUOTE

Read his articles. They are embarrassing. ]

In what respect?

If it’s that he only seems to write about the Ospreys, there’s a few journalists on there who it looks like are allocated to regions. Simon Thomas mainly does articles about us. 

I disagree there Bubba, Simon seems to write about the blues as well, but Orders either writes about the ospreys, or about Wales, with particular love being paid to Welsh ospreys players. His fascination with Rhys Webb is quite disturbing. Just my opinion though, fine to disagree like.


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 8:44pm
Not a webb fan but williams wAs dire in the last ten mins sat,  i think webb would have kept more composure. Orders does idolise him though fair point


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 25 March 2021 at 7:54am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Not a webb fan but williams wAs dire in the last ten mins sat,  i think webb would have kept more composure. Orders does idolise him though fair point

There appears to be a clamour for Tomos to start for Wales and he has even been mentioned as a Lion. I have struggled to date to really see what all the fuss is about frankly. For me Cawdor & Hardy are a lot better all round and in hindsight I think Lloyd Williams would have made a better fist of closing that game out.


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 26 March 2021 at 10:51am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Not a webb fan but williams wAs dire in the last ten mins sat,  i think webb would have kept more composure. Orders does idolise him though fair point

There appears to be a clamour for Tomos to start for Wales and he has even been mentioned as a Lion. I have struggled to date to really see what all the fuss is about frankly. For me Cawdor & Hardy are a lot better all round and in hindsight I think Lloyd Williams would have made a better fist of closing that game out.

I think I see Tomos as having a higher ceiling than the other 9s you mention.

So while Cawdor has the pace and spark as good as any 9 in the world. His game management, slow ball when he gets tired and kicking game has always been inconsistent.

Hardy certainly has a lot of growth potential too and that England game might be the making of him.

Then Lloyd is probably the most reliable game manager, and kicks well and focuses on getting the ball out quick - but doesn’t really have that xfactor threat that you need in International game now.

I think Tomos has the pace, the handling, the kicking skills as good as a De Klerk or DuPont but his tackling and defensive positioning is often caught short. 

His mistakes have cost us two very painful results in rwc semi-final and last week. But I think he’s got the most ability to learn and grow from these games simply because his core skills are so good.

Next 5/6 years I expect we’ll see him and Hardy fighting it out for starter/finisher roles.


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Posted By: scarletsim
Date Posted: 28 March 2021 at 10:33pm
Anyone else seen his latest ‘article’ speculating Gotland being considered for the England job? LOL


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 28 March 2021 at 10:39pm
Originally posted by scarletsim scarletsim wrote:

Anyone else seen his latest ‘article’ speculating Gotland being considered for the England job? LOL

A few journalists are writing about it. So it’s not as if he’s in his own little world with the article. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 28 March 2021 at 11:42pm
I don’t even know who this guy is as I barely notice who writes all the sports stuff that gets generated day in day out.  I only note Scarletnut and Simon Thomas  😂 I ain’t that obsessed - is there something wrong with me Dr? 😂

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Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 11:49am
If ever you wanted a sample of the Swansea slant on life take a look at his 'winners and losers' of the weekend article, 4 of the 5 winners in rugby last weekend tie back to Swansea through AWJ, Tandy, Rhys Ruddock and a reference to Lions who come from Gorseinon.

Think he's just having a laugh with it now.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

If ever you wanted a sample of the Swansea slant on life take a look at his 'winners and losers' of the weekend article, 4 of the 5 winners in rugby last weekend tie back to Swansea through AWJ, Tandy, Rhys Ruddock and a reference to Lions who come from Gorseinon.

Think he's just having a laugh with it now.
i just read that ,i looked at ospreys number 1 on list and knew exactly who wrote it.Confused


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 12:50pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I don’t even know who this guy is as I barely notice who writes all the sports stuff that gets generated day in day out.  I only note Scarletnut and Simon Thomas  😂 I ain’t that obsessed - is there something wrong with me Dr? 😂

It’s a Swansea obsession here. 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I don’t even know who this guy is as I barely notice who writes all the sports stuff that gets generated day in day out.  I only note Scarletnut and Simon Thomas  😂 I ain’t that obsessed - is there something wrong with me Dr? 😂

It’s a Swansea obsession here. 
you'd have diddly squat to post about if it wasn't WinkLOL


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 5:57pm
Orders journalism seems to be limited to ',winners and losers', picking sides based on his fantasies, endless speculation regards ospreys transfer targets, and of course his undying love for Rhys Webb.

I must admit though, I find moaning at his endless rubbish quite addictive 


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Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I don’t even know who this guy is as I barely notice who writes all the sports stuff that gets generated day in day out.  I only note Scarletnut and Simon Thomas  😂 I ain’t that obsessed - is there something wrong with me Dr? 😂

It’s a Swansea obsession here. 

Your obsessed by the obsession 


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I don’t even know who this guy is as I barely notice who writes all the sports stuff that gets generated day in day out.  I only note Scarletnut and Simon Thomas  😂 I ain’t that obsessed - is there something wrong with me Dr? 😂

It’s a Swansea obsession here. 

Your obsessed by the obsession 
well said clement freud.Big smile


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 6:48pm
Orders biggest readership must he disgruntled sf members.some here follow his every word😂😂👍


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Orders biggest readership must he disgruntled sf members.some here follow his every word😂😂👍

Anyone can cherry pic articles. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 31 March 2021 at 11:12pm
"Thinking about it,for his wonderful final seconds'hit against Scotland alone,he should get a start this summer"......Watkins ankle-tap,previously described as "a thing of beauty",continues to loom large in the consciousness of the excitable Orders.

"Like a whirling dervish with the ball in hand".... thus the Swansea-born literary lion describes none other than  Nicky Smith,Osprey.

Surprisingly no mention of Webb in his latest offering,in which he picks a Welsh side for the summer tour(just 2 Scarlets in starting 15,one of whom is Jac Morgan.)


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 01 April 2021 at 1:01am
No williams in centre or halfpenny at 15 is bizarre.tbh botham and jenkins would be ahead of morgan at 7 for me 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 01 April 2021 at 7:32am
Can't say I see anything wrong with that selection except Ryan Elias should be 16. The case is made for leaving Jenkins and Halfpenny out which is reasonable. Halaholo is ahead of Johnny in Pivac's eyes so again no issue. A worry going forward for team Wales is the lack of a stand out 15 coming through. As for selecting Jac at 7 - its a no brainer for me. His overall contribution to the team is off the scale & Pivac will want to see against top International performers if he can cut it at that level. I would like to see Jarrod get a chance to show his skill at some stage this summer.



Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 01 April 2021 at 10:27am
Id have ellis jenkins in as capt. How old is holmes? He looks decent in the back 3. I’m not a fan of amos



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