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Topic: Quarter Final Day
Posted By: 157cb
Subject: Quarter Final Day
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 8:49am
  All the best to Scarlets A today,Ealing bound ..



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Posted By: coldith
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 9:13am
Good luck Scarlets A, gutted to be missing this game.


Posted By: Scarletstarch
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 9:15am
Good luck Scarlets A, fingers crossed for a win! Thumbs Up


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Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 9:23am
Good luck to everyone in Ealing. Unfortunately I can't make it up. A semi final spot would be very welcome. Cmon Scarlets.

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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 2:10pm
any commentry on this available?

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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 2:52pm
25-7 to Ealing after 39 minutes according to their Twitter feed. We've fielded a proper prem select side.


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 3:14pm
35-7 @ 52' !
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Posted By: SAV
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 3:27pm
51.7 not good

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Posted By: SAV
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 3:35pm
70.7 not good

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 3:37pm
Ah well. That's the gap then. Something to work on.


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 3:39pm
84-7...

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Posted By: PritchyTheScarlet
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 3:44pm
At least I saw some good rugby, sadly it came from Ealing! The difference between a team that are used to playing together and boys that have been brought together for a game

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Posted By: dantheman
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 3:54pm
Wow, wasn't expecting that scoreline!

We looked to have a decent team out on paper too. I realise that those guys won't have worked together that much however, we really should be doing better than that.

Good opportunity for a few of our lot to put themselves in the frame for the first team, clearly not many of them took it.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 4:22pm
15 Aled Thomas, 14 Tom Williams, 13 Richard Smith, 12 Gareth Owen, 11 Matthew Owen, 10 Billy McBryde, 9 Declan Smith, 1 Luke Garrett, 2 Dafydd Hughes, 3 Nicky Thomas, 4 Josh Helps, 5 Rynier Bernardo, 6 Jack Condy, 7 Tom Phillips, 8 Morgan Allen [c]

Replacements; Rhys Fawcett, Taylor Davies, Javan Sebastian, Joe Powell, Shaun Evans, Connor Lloyd, Jack Maynard

Thats the side...these lads train together every day. more or less played together through the tournament as well as AngloWelsh Cup...simply not good enough by any stretch that. 
To me, a score line like that cant be papered over by "its a team that's thrown together"...in an injury crisis, majority of that starting line up could very well play for Scarlets in Pro12. 
Disappointing. 

Didn't realize Will Harries was now at Ealing...decent player. Did he quit the pro game or simply released by Dragons? 


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 4:25pm
Lol at that result! Hell of an effort!


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 5:30pm
Disgraceful score line!

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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 5:30pm
Good day out a real eye opener,well played Ealing a fantastic rugby team.

 Welsh Premiership,not fit for purpose.




Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Good day out a real eye opener,well played Ealing a fantastic rugby team.

 Welsh Premiership,not fit for purpose.



The disparity is principally due to the fact the English Championship is fully professional nowadays, while the Welsh Premiership isn't.  Still, I wasn't expecting anything like such a one-sided match either.


Posted By: dantheman
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 5:38pm
Pretty much all of the starting 15 are full time pros who have played together a decent amount. It's not like the babas who literally rock up a few days before.

That is a disgraceful score line. There are a fair few in that team who we have high hopes for too. I think we need to reassess the potential of a few of them.


Posted By: Hendre
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 6:03pm
Welsh Premiership not fit for purpose??? What are you talking about? Virtually all that team are full time pros or on development contracts! That score line had nothing to do with the standard of the premiership. Disgraceful scoreline.

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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 6:24pm
ok i will pose a question...would the scarlets A lose by the same scoreline against the full Scarlets side?

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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 6:27pm
Not fit for the top end game so you think that we have enough players in Wales for 16 semi pro teams ?? If so well off the mark,all those who started played semi pro rugby last week or two .A teams playing weekly or far more regularly,Ealing joy to watch,who play together week in week out at levels well above,what our boys are not allowed or exposed too 


Posted By: SAV
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 6:34pm
Great day out , real eye opener . Ealing were superb . Great running rugby . Would few teams in the pro 12 a good game .

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Posted By: 2ndtimeround
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 7:27pm
Several of the side we had out have been playing Pro12 rugby lately, losing by that margin is unbelievable, whichever way it's dressed up they were playing against a 2nd tier English club and have conceded a point a minute!


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 8:17pm
Some might say we have too many Regional teams as well!

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Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 8:40pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Some might say we have too many Regional teams as well!

There's an argument for merging the Dragons and Blues, but Ospreys and Scarlets do well.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 9:25pm
Originally posted by 2ndtimeround 2ndtimeround wrote:

Several of the side we had out have been playing Pro12 rugby lately, losing by that margin is unbelievable, whichever way it's dressed up they were playing against a 2nd tier English club and have conceded a point a minute!

I think the sheer margin of the loss was so unexpected, certainly by the supporters but I have no idea what the coaches knew about Ealing Or our chances. 84-7 is totally humiliating by any rugby yardstick. Really disappointing stuff. 


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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

ok i will pose a question...would the scarlets A lose by the same scoreline against the full Scarlets side?
Yes without a shadow of a doubt

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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by Hendre Hendre wrote:

Welsh Premiership not fit for purpose??? What are you talking about? Virtually all that team are full time pros or on development contracts! That score line had nothing to do with the standard of the premiership. Disgraceful scoreline.
The Premiership isn't fit for purpose. That's why we have A sides

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Posted By: Hendre
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 11:02pm
And the Prem Select team (A side) was really fit for purpose today wasn't it? A team stuffed with pros being humiliated. A great success 👍

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Posted By: Scarlet O'Hara
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

15 Aled Thomas, 14 Tom Williams, 13 Richard Smith, 12 Gareth Owen, 11 Matthew Owen, 10 Billy McBryde, 9 Declan Smith, 1 Luke Garrett, 2 Dafydd Hughes, 3 Nicky Thomas, 4 Josh Helps, 5 Rynier Bernardo, 6 Jack Condy, 7 Tom Phillips, 8 Morgan Allen [c]

Replacements; Rhys Fawcett, Taylor Davies, Javan Sebastian, Joe Powell, Shaun Evans, Connor Lloyd, Jack Maynard

Thats the side...these lads train together every day. more or less played together through the tournament as well as AngloWelsh Cup...simply not good enough by any stretch that. 
To me, a score line like that cant be papered over by "its a team that's thrown together"...in an injury crisis, majority of that starting line up could very well play for Scarlets in Pro12. 
Disappointing. 

Didn't realize Will Harries was now at Ealing...decent player. Did he quit the pro game or simply released by Dragons? 

If I remember rightly Harries had a bad injury that took some time to recover from so was released. He remained unsigned but was picked up by the sevens squad.


Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 11 March 2017 at 11:47pm
An absolutely dreadful result, but to repeat: English Championship is fully professional, Welsh Premiership isn't.  Despite that, Pontypridd, Cross Keys and Llanelli did quite well in the British & Irish Cup.  I know the former in particular were very upset and angry when the Premiership Select sides were introduced.  Furthermore, Ireland also send 'A' teams of their provinces, so their semi-professional rugby can't be that brilliant either.


Posted By: Dafen Boy
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 12:30am
Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

An absolutely dreadful result, but to repeat: English Championship is fully professional, Welsh Premiership isn't.  Despite that, Pontypridd, Cross Keys and Llanelli did quite well in the British & Irish Cup.  I know the former in particular were very upset and angry when the Premiership Select sides were introduced.  Furthermore, Ireland also send 'A' teams of their provinces, so their semi-professional rugby can't be that brilliant either.

What has that got to do with anything.  Half the team have played in Pro 12 team?


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 5:10am
I'd suggest we are comparing a team with a group of players, it is also fair to say that the vast majority of our players ply their trade in the Prem, or ' travelling reserves' for the Scarlets, regardless of contractual status

The answer isn't really in comparing the player profiles or contractual status, it's in the team preparation, time together, drills, general organisation and possibly leadership.

Having said that there is no excuse for any team put out to capitulate the way these guys did in the last 20-30. Ealing are bang in form, only lost 1 game this year ( and that by a point to un-beaten London Irish), and could well finish 2nd in the Championship, they are also well bankrolled' but the scoreline is a humiliation to those guys who pulled on the shirt, hope it hurts, it should.

I think we have made a great call in escalating this tournament in our priorities this season. We went well in the group, but we can't overlook the 60 point drubbing out in Ireland any more than we can overlook this one.

The top end of the English Championship is very competitive, and all vying for the big money in the Prem, maybe we should try to get a pre season set of games for this team with the likes of Nottinghsm, Jersey etc...arrange maybe an inter Wales comp between the 4 teams too...we at least create an identity for the team, a structure and focus too.

To me it's a better development platform than the Anglo Welsh ( more games and its a clear second tier event...the point of reference of the Anglo Welsh has become clouded with some teams putting out virtual first teams, others using it as pure development).

Oh,and let's call it Scarlets A, which is what it is. Helps with the identity.



Posted By: John
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 7:26am
Best post on this subject. Build the concept of Scarlets A


Posted By: Bryn@man
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 8:36am
Ealing Trailfinders reached the semifinals of the British and Irish Cup for the first time after they ran in 12 tries against the Scarlets Premiership Select XV.

It was a dominant performance from Ben Ward’s side and after an early scare they took a firm grip on proceedings and held it to the final whistle. Their physicality and organisation in defence stopped the Welsh side from breaking through and then when they went on the attack they were ruthless in taking their chances. 

Nonetheless Scarlets started the stronger and after Gareth Owen had powered his way through the home side’s defence, his partner in the centres Richard Smith dotted down in the corner for a try that Billy McBryde converted. 

Rory Clegg slotted a penalty to calm nerves and soon after Arthur Ellis took Rayn Smid’s pass to finish off a slick passing move. 

Clegg added his second penalty and then his soft hands set Aled Jenkins free to wiggle through the Scarlets defence to round fullback Aled Thomas and score. Then as halftime drew nearer Curtis Wilson outpaced Scarlets captain Morgan Allen to gather his kick-through and touch down. 

After the break there was no let-up and James Cordy-Redden took little time to score in the corner before fullback Will Harries swooped on a loose ball to scoot round behind the posts. 

As the game opened up Smid and Mark Bright began to relish running at the Scarlets defence and both were rewarded by ending the match on the scoresheet. 

Scarlets continued to give their all and while Jack Maynard added energy off the bench they were still unable to find a way past Ealing Trailfinders’ defence. 

In the last 10 minutes Joe Munro, Lewis Jones and Josh Davies finished off swift counter-attacks to cap an impressive performance and set up a semifinal away to either Munster A or Ulster A over the first weekend of April. 

Scorers
Ealing Trailfinders
Tries (Ellis 16, Jenkins 27, Wilson 38, 68 Cordy-Redden 44, 70, Harries 53, Smid 57, Bright 65, Davies 72, Lewis Jones 75, Munro 77), Conversions (Clegg 27, 38, 53, 57, 65, 70, 72, 75, 77), Penalties (Clegg 11, 22)
Scarlets Premiership Select
Tries (Richard Smith 6), Conversions (McBryde 6)

Ealing Trailfinders
Will Harries, James Cordy-Redden, Aled Jenkins, Joe Munro, Curtis Wilson, Rory Clegg, Luke Carter; Will Davis, Alun Walker, Lewis Thiede, Llewelyn Jones, Glen Townson, Rayn Smid, Arthur Ellis, Mark Bright (captain)
Reserves
Matt Cornish, James Gibbons, Alex Penny, Harry Casson, Willie Ryan, Josh Davies, Lewis Jones
Scarlets Premiership Select
Aled Thomas, Tom Williams, Richard Smith, Gareth Owen, Matthew Owen, Billy McBryde, Declan Smith; Luke Garett, Daf Hughes, Nicky Thomas, Josh Helps, Rynier Barnardo, Jack Condy, Tom Phillips, Morgan Allen (captain)
Reserves
Rhys Fawcett, Taylor Davies, Haven Sabastian, Joe Powell, Shaun Evans, Connor Lloyd, Jack Maynard

Referee – Nigel Correll
Attendance – 650
STORM Watches Man of the Match – Curtis Wilson

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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 9:17am
It's pretty obvious the team were totally outclassed - disappointing.

Let's accept that part of the reason came from time together and so better systems and preparation - I notice that quite a few of the Ealing players have Welsh names... are any of them in positions where the Scarlets are lacking cover? If so, could they be tempted back to Wales?

(trying to find a positive here...!)


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 10:26am
I was wondering how Llywellyn Jones went in the row?


Posted By: PritchyTheScarlet
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 10:32am
I'm only now fully coming to terms with that result yesterday! A team 4/5 Scarlets in it should never be losing by such a scoreline. Ealing's first few tries were good, but after that they were scoring at will. We had a good team out yesterday, but as a I said before Ealing play together every week and that showed in their understanding and cohesiveness. Despite the result, a good day out, very impressed by Ealing's facilities.

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Posted By: solva
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 12:16pm
Not recovered from the shock of seeing that debacle yesterday.  Too many threw the towel in.  It was embarassing to watch. It's done the reputation of the Scarlets no good at all up there.  Most of the Ealing folks near me were under the impression that it was the Scarlets' second team, not a scratch squad from the clubs. In the programme - 'As befits a region that gave the world George North, Phil Bennett and Jonathan Davies, The Scarlets play an open brand of running rugby and are keen to run the ball from anywhere.'     Well they would have been disappointed.  And we just dismayed. A terrible afternoon.


Posted By: M.M.
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I was wondering how Llywellyn Jones went in the row?

Not sure, Wil, although we lost umpteen of our own line-out throws, some of whom were in decent attacking positions, so he must have been contributing to that.

All in all a very poor performance with loads of missed tackles and an inability to cross the gainline
giving Ealing an easier victory than perhaps might have been.

I'd hope that Wayne Pivac, who was there, will ask for a debrief from the coaches as to what happened

Good side Ealing, mind, and a great set up there. Nice welcome from them too.

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Posted By: pêl rygbi
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by solva solva wrote:

Not recovered from the shock of seeing that debacle yesterday.  Too many threw the towel in.  It was embarassing to watch. It's done the reputation of the Scarlets no good at all up there.  Most of the Ealing folks near me were under the impression that it was the Scarlets' second team, not a scratch squad from the clubs. In the programme - 'As befits a region that gave the world George North, Phil Bennett and Jonathan Davies, The Scarlets play an open brand of running rugby and are keen to run the ball from anywhere.'     Well they would have been disappointed.  And we just dismayed. A terrible afternoon.


Well did anyone see that coming?  - Scarlet web site headline -'Scarlets name strong side for quarter-final clash' -the side put out should have held their own. Premiership sides have given good account of themselves in the past. I don't buy this argument they haven’t played together. So, for me it was about lack of performance whether that be a coaching issue or players not fronting up. Would be interesting to see some video clips. There has been a change of emphasis this year to use more experienced players rather than the Gareth Jenkins model of blooding inexperienced academy players who then lose and get kicked out of the system. If the select sides are to continue this is the better model to create a winning mentality. However, there is an argument to go back to the premiership system because it creates greater interest, revenue and experience these clubs need. I seem to remember clubs in the premiership gave good account of themselves. But whatever I hope there will be debate so something can be learned from this to encourage change. None of the other regions have progressed so there is something wrong.



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Posted By: s.pimpernel
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 2:26pm
I posted this link a few months ago but it`s worth repeating after yesterday. It`s a very good article about the Championship

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38650116

Yes, a nice result for Ealing but then what?? They won`t get promoted to the Premiership and even if they did, they`d be relegated after 1 season. The result yesterday, the Championship and Ealings very existence (like a number of clubs) all just seems a bit pointless and futile unless your aim is to get into The Premiership.


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 5:01pm
Just because they were a team playing mainly Welsh Prem doesnt excuse the lineout or the tackling. Back to school boys. Honestly think a few of them wont feature in a Scarlet jersey again. No one has mentioned that they also had Rory Clegg at 10 who is an excellent O/H.

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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:

I posted this link a few months ago but it`s worth repeating after yesterday. It`s a very good article about the Championship

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38650116

Yes, a nice result for Ealing but then what?? They won`t get promoted to the Premiership and even if they did, they`d be relegated after 1 season. The result yesterday, the Championship and Ealings very existence (like a number of clubs) all just seems a bit pointless and futile unless your aim is to get into The Premiership.


You could have said that about Exeter 10 years ago but I have just watched them qualify for the anglo welsh final giving Harlequins (who included that outstanding-just out of youth rugby- prospect Adam JonesConfused) a bit of a pasting with a young team. Exeter are now beginning to challenge for major trophies and are bringing forward lots of young players to International honours. And they probably do the whole "get kids fit"/community rugby thing that I am sure Ealing also do. 99.99% of all English clubs play outside the premiereship  but do so quite happily.  

 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 12 March 2017 at 8:28pm
No  disrespect at all to our coaches as I really do not know whom they had available to them to play for this game or who they wanted to play the game, which I guess might frustrate supporters as we just don't know who to look to ( I won't use the word blame as it's the wrong word in the context of the way we are able to  select this team). 

I just don't think using words like a "strong" Scarlets team is sensible on reflection when we lose in such a humiliating way. That may be PR but it makes it even more devestating when we lose 84-7 . It raises hopes to be not just dashed but utterly smashed. Time to think before we talk as its very damaging.

Also I have no idea how many times Ealing were watched and analysed and again I suspect it's money related. 

Lessons of magnitude here to be learned. 
Back to the WRU drawing board? 


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Posted By: s.pimpernel
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 10:18am
Originally posted by John John wrote:


You could have said that about Exeter 10 years ago but I have just watched them qualify for the anglo welsh final giving Harlequins (who included that outstanding-just out of youth rugby- prospect Adam JonesConfused) a bit of a pasting with a young team. Exeter are now beginning to challenge for major trophies and are bringing forward lots of young players to International honours. And they probably do the whole "get kids fit"/community rugby thing that I am sure Ealing also do. 99.99% of all English clubs play outside the premiership  but do so quite happily.  


Exeter have done well and it was in their favour that they got to the top before The Cornish Pirates. That part of England was crying out for a team in the top division. I don`t think the same applies to Ealing. 

I just think the Anglo/welsh and B&I cup is an utter mess that is unfathomable to most supporters and doesn`t attract anyone but the most dedicated. Better off having one competition, marketing it well and concentrating TV money/coverage and sponsorship. 


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Posted By: solva
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 10:49am
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I just think the Anglo/welsh and B&I cup is an utter mess that is unfathomable to most supporters and doesn`t attract anyone but the most dedicated. Better off having one competition, marketing it well and concentrating TV money/coverage and sponsorship. 
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Agree, can't see the point of the current two competitions.    


Posted By: mad scarlet
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 1:07pm
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Posted By: mad scarlet
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by solva solva wrote:


I just think the Anglo/welsh and B&I cup is an utter mess that is unfathomable to most supporters and doesn`t attract anyone but the most dedicated. Better off having one competition, marketing it well and concentrating TV money/coverage and sponsorship. 
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Agree, can't see the point of the current two competitions.    
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Spot on 👍


Posted By: pêl rygbi
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by mad scarlet mad scarlet wrote:

Originally posted by solva solva wrote:


I just think the Anglo/welsh and B&I cup is an utter mess that is unfathomable to most supporters and doesn`t attract anyone but the most dedicated. Better off having one competition, marketing it well and concentrating TV money/coverage and sponsorship. 


Agree, can't see the point of the current two competitions.    
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Spot on 👍[/QUOTE]

It seems the tone has changed over the last two years - everyone had an opinion how it should be run but there was an overwhelming majority saying it was a good development pathway.  That result was extremely discouraging but sometimes these things happen. A different day a different result. Even though performance was poor on the day,  remember it’s it also an opportunity for players in the premiership to play representative rugby.



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Posted By: BlackwoodScarlet
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 2:39pm
Can someone point out to me the 8 regular scarlets players

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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Can someone point out to me the 8 regular scarlets players


15, 14, 12, 1, 3, 6 and 8  is pushing it a bit and adds up to 7........ 


Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 4:45pm
We were very depleted.  Most of those having any sort of game time against Leinster and Munster were given a well deserved rest. Those players involved in the Welsh and Scottish squads were likewise unavailable as were the 4 involved with the U20 squads and Patch and Bulbring recovering from injuries. However even allowing for these omissions this was a pathetic effort and a shameful result. Earlier in the season I had watched Scarlets "Reserves" beat Bath and Scarlets A beat Leinster A well in hard fought matches.
Fortunately I didn't see this match, and I haven't yet heard any convincing explanation of how we managed to lose and concede 84 points. There must have been players who weren't trying and unless they can prove otherwise in the remainder of the season we can only hope that their contracts are up for renewal and that we have seen the last of them, as they were either not playing for Scarlets or are useless and don't deserve to stay. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

We were very depleted.  Most of those having any sort of game time against Leinster and Munster were given a well deserved rest. Those players involved in the Welsh and Scottish squads were likewise unavailable as were the 4 involved with the U20 squads and Patch and Bulbring recovering from injuries. However even allowing for these omissions this was a pathetic effort and a shameful result. Earlier in the season I had watched Scarlets "Reserves" beat Bath and Scarlets A beat Leinster A well in hard fought matches.
Fortunately I didn't see this match, and I haven't yet heard any convincing explanation of how we managed to lose and concede 84 points. There must have been players who weren't trying and unless they can prove otherwise in the remainder of the season we can only hope that their contracts are up for renewal and that we have seen the last of them, as they were either not playing for Scarlets or are useless and don't deserve to stay. 

According to Morgan Allen (captain) in today's WM, "... the boys need to take a long hard look at themselves... there's no excuse... it was a lack of effort, and effort doesn't take skill". Allen clearly not impressed with the attitude of some players, then.


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 5:23pm
Some of the defence was as bad as I have ever seen. Maybe they were updating their Facebook statuses before the game had ended !! It was a long trip for that outcome.

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Posted By: PritchyTheScarlet
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 5:44pm
Watching Wales' defence on Friday and then ours on the Saturday - you couldn't get much more opposite!

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Posted By: Bryn@man
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 6:39pm
For those not at the game... 

 


Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 7:01pm
Just watched that. 

Can we please end this and go back to Llanelli Rugby Football Club please?

I have very little affiliation with this plastic entity anymore.

Sorry, but its true.


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Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 7:10pm
From those "highlights" I would guess that some of them had been out on the p*ss Friday night celebrating Wales' victory.


Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 7:16pm
Wow. How many basic missed tackles was that?


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 8:06pm
Oh Dear. ☹️

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Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 10:24pm
Managed 2 mins what a pile of utter cach! Hope they feel it.


Posted By: PritchyTheScarlet
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 10:43pm
They missed our try out! LOL

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Posted By: Scarletstarch
Date Posted: 13 March 2017 at 11:15pm
Unbelievable, the whole Scarlets team where at not even half pace and Morgan Allen saying there was no excuse and it was lacking effort, I think he needs to look at his own effort as he didn't seem to be busting a gut in that clip!!


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Posted By: Airdaa
Date Posted: 14 March 2017 at 12:28am
There is some merit in playing an A league so that sides get regular games together and perhaps accelerate the development of young players and also players returning from injury could build up their match fitness. I know that the Irish Provinces do play each other on a random basis without published fixture list.
Yes. They do on occaissions include Club players from the All Ireland League within their squads which has mixed reaction from the clubs. All academy players are allocated to AIL clubs and paid by the provinces but clubs complain of being deprived of these players when the provinces don't release the to play. The Irrish teams appear to be more organised than those in Wales but still are not a regular weekly side like Ealing playing in theChampionship.
The. Dates of quarter finals favoured the. Championship sides as they have no demand forUnder 20 & Senior International squads. A rearranged Pro 12 on Saturday night, plus a still sizeable injury lst of course. Further handicap
Ed Ulster, especially as we needed to secure. A place in the Top Four


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 14 March 2017 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by Airdaa Airdaa wrote:

There is some merit in playing an A league so that sides get regular games together and perhaps accelerate the development of young players and also players returning from injury could build up their match fitness. I know that the Irish Provinces do play each other on a random basis without published fixture list.
Yes. They do on occaissions include Club players from the All Ireland League within their squads which has mixed reaction from the clubs. All academy players are allocated to AIL clubs and paid by the provinces but clubs complain of being deprived of these players when the provinces don't release the to play. The Irrish teams appear to be more organised than those in Wales but still are not a regular weekly side like Ealing playing in theChampionship.
The. Dates of quarter finals favoured the. Championship sides as they have no demand forUnder 20 & Senior International squads. A rearranged Pro 12 on Saturday night, plus a still sizeable injury lst of course. Further handicap
Ed Ulster, especially as we needed to secure. A place in the Top Four


Perhaps there should be some sort of A competition between you and us. We seem to have the same sort of structure and the same sort of tensions within that structure.


Posted By: pêl rygbi
Date Posted: 14 March 2017 at 7:26pm
I have seen one report on the WRU site which wasn't particuary enlightening.Is everyone that embarrased they cant reflect on the game. What went wrong in rugby terms - missed tackles - line outs etc - did anyone actually watch it if so please coment so we are not full of politics


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Posted By: pêl rygbi
Date Posted: 14 March 2017 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by pêl rygbi pêl rygbi wrote:

I have seen one report on the WRU site which wasn't particuary enlightening.Is everyone that embarrased they cant reflect on the game. What went wrong in rugby terms - missed tackles - line outs etc - did anyone actually watch it if so please coment so we are not full of politics


See the scarlets website didn't report ??


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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 14 March 2017 at 8:29pm
 Our tackling or lack of it was shocking,and Ealing attacked every lineout we threw into,they were an excellent well coached team who play together week in week out .
 
         Ealing are 4th in the English 1st Division,we turned up as a Regional outfit shone of 34 players,still no excuse for such a  tame effort in a quarter final of a cup competition.


Posted By: Hendre
Date Posted: 14 March 2017 at 11:01pm
How was the Premiership Select XV shorn of 34 players? Who?

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 15 March 2017 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by Hendre Hendre wrote:

How was the Premiership Select XV shorn of 34 players? Who?
I guess 34 players who are members of the Scarlets squad but not selected for this competition.
 
Against Richmond at home we had Tom Price, Tadgh, Emyr, Pete, Aled Davies - much stronger in key areas.
 
Even looking at the fringe players, Corey Baldwin and Ryan Conbeer with Wales U20's for example.


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Posted By: Hendre
Date Posted: 15 March 2017 at 2:17pm
The B and I is a competition for Premiership Select players and not a 'first team' Scarlets competition therefore to say that 34 players were unavailable is nonsensical. The stark fact is that an 84 point defeat by players who are being paid to perform is completely unacceptable as has been said already.

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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 15 March 2017 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by Hendre Hendre wrote:

The B and I is a competition for Premiership Select players and not a 'first team' Scarlets competition therefore to say that 34 players were unavailable is nonsensical. The stark fact is that an 84 point defeat by players who are being paid to perform is completely unacceptable as has been said already.

 No dispute with regards been an A team competition,and probably a dozen of those would not be considered in this tournament,unless recovering from injury,the point I was making we cannot compete with a top 1st English team,been so depleted.
 
  No excuse for such a shocking and abject performance though.



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