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Topic: Racism in football
Posted By: Abbey
Subject: Racism in football
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 8:16am
The support shown last night for Suarez has baffled me. Is it really that honourable for players to wear t-shirts in support of a colleague found guilty of racism? If any of my colleagues uttered any kind of racist remark I would make sure they were sacked and not show unstinting support.

Terry, on the other hand, may be innocent - the truth will out in due course. But most professionals would find themselves suspended on full pay if they were on such a charge (think teachers, police etc). All the press seem to care about is whether he should continue as England captain.

Racism is one of the most abhorrent things a society can tollerate - whatever form it takes or to whoever it is directed at. I think football writers and players have lost sight of that fact.

Feel free to disagree, but I WILL judge you (ha ha!!)








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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 8:28am
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

The support shown last night for Suarez has baffled me. Is it really that honourable for players to wear t-shirts in support of a colleague found guilty of racism? If any of my colleagues uttered any kind of racist remark I would make sure they were sacked and not show unstinting support.

Terry, on the other hand, may be innocent - the truth will out in due course. But most professionals would find themselves suspended on full pay if they were on such a charge (think teachers, police etc). All the press seem to care about is whether he should continue as England captain.

Racism is one of the most abhorrent things a society can tollerate - whatever form it takes or to whoever it is directed at. I think football writers and players have lost sight of that fact.

Feel free to disagree, but I WILL judge you (ha ha!!)





 
No,
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: KID A
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:24am
I can only think his colleagues know what really happenend and they genuinely feel he has been treated unfairly.

The written report will be very interesting.


Posted By: A Evans
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:42am
Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I can only think his colleagues know what really happenend and they genuinely feel he has been treated unfairly.

The written report will be very interesting.
He himself has admitted to using the word that caused the fuss but he says it's an acceptable term in his country. Not in your country now son.


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Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:46am
It also makes you wonder why the BBC keeps pixelating out Terry's outburst on the TV. I suppose in-case someone can lip-read and take offence.



Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 10:11am
ok... I'm going to be a devil's advocate here.

If that was a court case then it would have been thrown out before even getting there.

The case was totally on the hearsay of Evra (a character with shall we say a chequered past, unproven racist remarks by a Chelsea groundsman, a player that goes on strike at the world cup).

now Evra has admitted that he had also verbally abused Suarez in spanish at the game, but no charges have been brought up for him...

to me and this is how I feel.. it is a concerted attack by Man Utd against a liverpool player that they fear very very much....

we all have language difficulties and some things in welsh would be a front to english people..

to call Suarez a racist when he himself is of mixed raced origin is laughable


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Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 10:18am
this is also quite alarming

Alan Hansen is in hot water for saying the word coloured on Match of the Day last night...


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Posted By: A Evans
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 10:18am
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

ok... I'm going to be a devil's advocate here.

If that was a court case then it would have been thrown out before even getting there.

The case was totally on the hearsay of Evra (a character with shall we say a chequered past, unproven racist remarks by a Chelsea groundsman, a player that goes on strike at the world cup).

now Evra has admitted that he had also verbally abused Suarez in spanish at the game, but no charges have been brought up for him...

to me and this is how I feel.. it is a concerted attack by Man Utd against a liverpool player that they fear very very much....

we all have language difficulties and some things in welsh would be a front to english people..

to call Suarez a racist when he himself is of mixed raced origin is laughable
mate your an intelligent guy but that is total nonsence.


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 10:24am
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

The support shown last night for Suarez has baffled me. Is it really that honourable for players to wear t-shirts in support of a colleague found guilty of racism? If any of my colleagues uttered any kind of racist remark I would make sure they were sacked and not show unstinting support.

Terry, on the other hand, may be innocent - the truth will out in due course. But most professionals would find themselves suspended on full pay if they were on such a charge (think teachers, police etc). All the press seem to care about is whether he should continue as England captain.

Racism is one of the most abhorrent things a society can tollerate - whatever form it takes or to whoever it is directed at. I think football writers and players have lost sight of that fact.

Feel free to disagree, but I WILL judge you (ha ha!!)

Just noticed this, yes it is pretty baffling, I agree. I wonder if it's part of the mentality of football - even if guilty, you will say you're innocent and appeal. Look at football players protesting they didn't dive, didn't foul etc. even when it's blatantly obvious they did. And their team mates and fans back them up 100%. Not really surprising this extends into accusations of racism as well. 

You are comparing football to normal professions, which unfortunately I don't think really works. Football players are similar to rock stars in that they are exempt from the normal rules of accepted social behaviour and are too rich, famous and idolised to be as easily sacked. There are different rules for different jobs, I'm afraid. Football players are allowed to do as much coke, bang as many prostitutes, set off as many fire works in their own houses, and be as abusive as they like with the minimum of punishment. 

At least something IS being done here. I wonder how many of these type of things have gone completely unreported because the victim knows nothing would ever happen?

Taylor's comments were interesting:

Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor said: "It's important that when players come to this country they appreciate that while we are very culturally diverse, very cosmopolitan, that's it's also a job for the PFA and the FA and the clubs themselves to educate them.

"That means not just the rules of the game but what's acceptable as the law of the land, and what isn't acceptable both on and off the pitch. This is about treating people equally."

Taylor also revealed how attempts by his organisation to mediate between Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra failed.

"I didn't want [the case] to escalate, but I wasn't able to get the players together," Taylor said.






Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 10:29am
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

ok... I'm going to be a devil's advocate here.

If that was a court case then it would have been thrown out before even getting there.

The case was totally on the hearsay of Evra (a character with shall we say a chequered past, unproven racist remarks by a Chelsea groundsman, a player that goes on strike at the world cup).

now Evra has admitted that he had also verbally abused Suarez in spanish at the game, but no charges have been brought up for him...

to me and this is how I feel.. it is a concerted attack by Man Utd against a liverpool player that they fear very very much....

we all have language difficulties and some things in welsh would be a front to english people..

to call Suarez a racist when he himself is of mixed raced origin is laughable

People of mixed race can be racist you know.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 10:50am
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

ok... I'm going to be a devil's advocate here.

If that was a court case then it would have been thrown out before even getting there.

The case was totally on the hearsay of Evra (a character with shall we say a chequered past, unproven racist remarks by a Chelsea groundsman, a player that goes on strike at the world cup).

now Evra has admitted that he had also verbally abused Suarez in spanish at the game, but no charges have been brought up for him...

to me and this is how I feel.. it is a concerted attack by Man Utd against a liverpool player that they fear very very much....

we all have language difficulties and some things in welsh would be a front to english people..

to call Suarez a racist when he himself is of mixed raced origin is laughable

Pasty boy.


Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 11:07am
that's it SA14. I'm calling the police as you are being racist to the Cornish..

perhaps any welshman called Taffy by the english should also call the police or scotsmen called Jock....

very ropey ground....

Doc, Suarez played last year for Ajax with one of the largest compliment of black people in the league...


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Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 11:17am
Good point regarding football not being like other professions.

Perhaps I've started this thread and imposed my own morals. I did cringe at Terry's statement which was "some of my best friends are black".

I do see where Sal is coming from as one person can say "you're a ******" and the other will say "and you're a black ******" but I personally feel that there is no two ways about racism.

My main point was that the Liverpool players went out of their way to support someone who had been found guilty of racism and I find that a little disturbing as it condones the action.

By the way, "coloured" is a stupid term used by grannies and was stamped out when Love thy Neighbour and It aint Half Hot Mum were booted off the TV along with the odious Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning. Hansen should know better as the term infers that someone is different with a "colour" but we're "normal".




Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

that's it SA14. I'm calling the police as you are being racist to the Cornish..

perhaps any welshman called Taffy by the english should also call the police or scotsmen called Jock....

very ropey ground....

Doc, Suarez played last year for Ajax with one of the largest compliment of black people in the league...
ron atkinson bought black players, too


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

that's it SA14. I'm calling the police as you are being racist to the Cornish..

perhaps any welshman called Taffy by the english should also call the police or scotsmen called Jock....

very ropey ground....

Doc, Suarez played last year for Ajax with one of the largest compliment of black people in the league...
 
 
But that doesnt mean he wasnt naughty like,,
 
 


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Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 1:25pm
Apologists for Suarez say that he was only using language acceptable at home in Uraguay. The Times sums this up perfectly:

"Suarez maintained that the word negrito, which he admitted calling Evra on a number of occasions, is a strictly neutral term which is widely used at home in Uraguay. Quite why, in the course of an evidently heated argument, Suarez felt the need to point out the colour of Evra's skin, he was unable to explain".




Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Apologists for Suarez say that he was only using language acceptable at home in Uraguay. The Times sums this up perfectly:

"Suarez maintained that the word negrito, which he admitted calling Evra on a number of occasions, is a strictly neutral term which is widely used at home in Uraguay. Quite why, in the course of an evidently heated argument, Suarez felt the need to point out the colour of Evra's skin, he was unable to explain".


spot on. i think liverpool fc are being badly advised at the moment. those t shirts they warmed up in were not a good idea


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by rap columbo rap columbo wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

that's it SA14. I'm calling the police as you are being racist to the Cornish..

perhaps any welshman called Taffy by the english should also call the police or scotsmen called Jock....

very ropey ground....

Doc, Suarez played last year for Ajax with one of the largest compliment of black people in the league...
ron atkinson bought black players, too
I'd say the Big Ron issue was more of a stupid generational thing as opposed to genuine bigotry, Ron saw nothing wrong with the word as just an insult, though ignorance is no excuse. Cyrille Regis has plenty of praise for him in his autobiography, but Ron's reputation took a massive hammering, which considering what he did to further the cause of black footballers in the 70's is a shame. I personally was gutted when he said it, as he was in charge when I first saw the side which included Regis/Moses and Cunnnigham.
 
Suarez on the other hand used the word "Negrito" ("little black man" I believe), which he states can be used in an affectionate way, which I doubt it was in the middle of a bust up with Evra. He pleaded ignorance which in this day and age doesn't wash with me, he's been in Europe long enough to know the differences.
I'd comment more on Terry if I knew what he said but the media have scrambled it, one report said he was retorting to Ferdinand saying "I didn't call you a ##### #######". In both cases I find it hard to believe there is full on racism, as surely it would have risen it's ugly head before now as they both play in multi-racial sides as well as against similar teams?
 
No room for it in society, let alone sport. Although it doesn't do any harm educating people as bigoted comments have been known to appear on this very forum, and if the people responsible want to moan then i'm sure the topics can be referenced.
 


Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 3:54pm
big differences here...

Ron Atkinson - Stupid black B*****d
John Terry - (allegedly) Black C***
Suarez - Negrito....

now the word Neger is used throughout europe as a a Neutral term for black people...

the point is where do we draw the line. the word N****r which I find highly offensive as it is a slang word. Neger is commonly used in Holland and Germany...


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Posted By: John_Radio
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:


now the word Neger is used throughout europe as a a Neutral term for black people...

 
'alfwits!


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

this is also quite alarming

Alan Hansen is in hot water for saying the word coloured on Match of the Day last night...

Are you saying that word or quoting it? This could lead to the return of Regan's love child and a ban for you. 


Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by John_Radio John_Radio wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:




now the word Neger is used throughout europe as a a Neutral term for black people...



 

'alfwits!


Funnily enough, I'm currently reading a book on the moon landings and in setting the scene for life in the 1960s, it says that at that time Americans were still using the term Negro which showed how "backward" race relations were.

I thought that was a long time ago.



Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 7:16pm
The difference I've been told between John Terry's case and Luis Suarez's incident is that no-one (i'm lead to believe) overheard what Suarez said to Evra.  On the other hand people DID hear what Terry said to Ferdinand - and there is video footage of the incident to back up the charge against him.
 
If Suarez is guilty and banned for 8 matches on the evidence of the person accusing him, what the hell is going to happen to John Terry??  Banned for a season?? Confused


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Posted By: maldwyn
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 7:17pm
Can't make my mind up which one I dislike most the racist  the footballer or the football fan.

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Posted By: SMELLYMIKE
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 7:29pm
Cmon guy ..people are suffering , the worlds ecconomy is in pieces and people are being lest homeless and we are talking about a bunch of over paid [beep]s...get a grip they are a bunch of inbred c**** who deserve f*** all

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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

big differences here...

Ron Atkinson - Stupid black B*****d
John Terry - (allegedly) Black C***
Suarez - Negrito....

now the word Neger is used throughout europe as a a Neutral term for black people...

the point is where do we draw the line. the word N****r which I find highly offensive as it is a slang word. Neger is commonly used in Holland and Germany...

Context is everything. "Black" is [currently] a non-racist term. "Stupid" and "Bastard" are non-racist, but offensive, terms. But calling someone a "stupid black bastard", however, is abusing someone specifically because of their race, i.e. that is racist. So if you are specifically referencing somebody's race in an offensive manner, you are liable to have that deemed as racially offensive.

Therefore, what Suarez said in and arounds the word "negrito" are key to this whole debate (the "...." in your post). If he was being abusive towards Evra and included a word defining the colour of Evra's skin as part of this, that would be deemed as racial abuse, as per the above example. He has been found guilty of this and disciplined.  As you say, and this should be the main point of this IMO, it is still only Evra's word against Suarez's here, which is presumably the point the Liverpool players were trying to make.


Posted By: A Evans
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

The difference I've been told between John Terry's case and Luis Suarez's incident is that no-one (i'm lead to believe) overheard what Suarez said to Evra.  On the other hand people DID hear what Terry said to Ferdinand - and there is video footage of the incident to back up the charge against him.
 
If Suarez is guilty and banned for 8 matches on the evidence of the person accusing him, what the hell is going to happen to John Terry??  Banned for a season?? Confused
Suarez has admitted he used the term. Now it may not mean anything in his country but he is not in his country. He may actually not be racist (i dont know him so i cant comment) but he has been found guilty of using "insulting words in reference to Manchester United defender Evra's colour". Are we saying this is acceptable? (not directed at you Haydn just a general question).


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Posted By: SMELLYMIKE
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 8:19pm
You guys all need to get things in perspective 

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 9:57am
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

The support shown last night for Suarez has baffled me. Is it really that honourable for players to wear t-shirts in support of a colleague found guilty of racism? If any of my colleagues uttered any kind of racist remark I would make sure they were sacked and not show unstinting support.

Terry, on the other hand, may be innocent - the truth will out in due course. But most professionals would find themselves suspended on full pay if they were on such a charge (think teachers, police etc). All the press seem to care about is whether he should continue as England captain.

Racism is one of the most abhorrent things a society can tollerate - whatever form it takes or to whoever it is directed at. I think football writers and players have lost sight of that fact.

Feel free to disagree, but I WILL judge you (ha ha!!)


The way I see it is that Liverpool clearly disagree with the ruling hence the support. The facts of the case make the suspension ridiculous, the only person who heard the alleged abuse was Evra - no other player heard anything ! For them to rule based on one's person's testimony is bizarre. Don't get me wrong I don't condone racism but I am a Lierpool fan if that isn't obvious LOL




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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 7:11pm
so it's ok because only one person heard it?


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 10:20pm
Originally posted by rap columbo rap columbo wrote:

so it's ok because only one person heard it?
Miss the point Rap, how can a judge rule on something that no one heard except the person making the complaint? If I accused you of racism against me in the street if I was black, would you expect to get banged up if only you and I were party to the alleged incident?

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

The difference I've been told between John Terry's case and Luis Suarez's incident is that no-one (i'm lead to believe) overheard what Suarez said to Evra.  On the other hand people DID hear what Terry said to Ferdinand - and there is video footage of the incident to back up the charge against him.
 
If Suarez is guilty and banned for 8 matches on the evidence of the person accusing him, what the hell is going to happen to John Terry??  Banned for a season?? Confused
Bet he won't be though despite the facts as you state them. The fact that Suarez doesn't even deny using a word that he doesn't feel is racist surely says a lot about the case, who openly admits to something that they know will get them banned if they feel that they have done something wrong?

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 10:31pm
Quote from the web:-
 
It is similar to the use of the word " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigga" rel="nofollow - nigga " in urban communities in the United States. For example, one might say to a friend, "Negro ¿Como andas? (literally "Hey, black one, how are you doing?"). In this case, the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning "pal", "buddy" or "friend". Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to "sweetheart," or "dear" in English
 


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Quote from the web:-
 
It is similar to the use of the word " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigga" rel="nofollow - "Negro ¿Como andas? (literally "Hey, black one, how are you doing?"). In this case, the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning "pal", "buddy" or "friend". Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to "sweetheart," or "dear" in English
 

I doubt Suarez was using the word in any of those contexts. Remember this was allegedly used when he was being aggressive and abusive towards Evra; it's not as though he was trying to say "how's it going pal?" and it was misunderstood. 

It's an interesting discussion about what is racist or not and this revolves around factors such as not just the word itself but the context in which it's used and also the people involved and their relationship with each other. For example, the word "nigga" may well be used within certain urban communities as a term of endearment, yet it's not acceptable to shout it at a relative stranger when you're annoyed with them, is it? Even the terms "sweetheart" and "dear", which initially appear innocuous, can be used in incredibly sexist and offensive manners.


Posted By: SMELLYMIKE
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 7:08pm
iTS LIKE ME CALLING YOU A SHORT ARSE..yOU ARE BUT YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT

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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 25 December 2011 at 1:00am
Originally posted by SMELLYMIKE SMELLYMIKE wrote:

iTS LIKE ME CALLING YOU A SHORT ARSE..yOU ARE BUT YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT



And you have a bigger belly than me, you may not like it, but tough big boy from the Pink......Merry Christmas alleyman....



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Posted By: New_scarlet
Date Posted: 27 December 2011 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Quote from the web:-
 
It is similar to the use of the word " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigga" rel="nofollow - nigga " in urban communities in the United States. For example, one might say to a friend, "Negro ¿Como andas? (literally "Hey, black one, how are you doing?"). In this case, the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning "pal", "buddy" or "friend". Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to "sweetheart," or "dear" in English
 

I doubt Suarez was using the word in any of those contexts. Remember this was allegedly used when he was being aggressive and abusive towards Evra; it's not as though he was trying to say "how's it going pal?" and it was misunderstood. 

It's an interesting discussion about what is racist or not and this revolves around factors such as not just the word itself but the context in which it's used and also the people involved and their relationship with each other. For example, the word "nigga" may well be used within certain urban communities as a term of endearment, yet it's not acceptable to shout it at a relative stranger when you're annoyed with them, is it? Even the terms "sweetheart" and "dear", which initially appear innocuous, can be used in incredibly sexist and offensive manners.
The first letter being the key here, it's all interpretation isn't it. That's where written and spoken language are totally different. Tone is key in communication and something considered very offensive when said in one way can be a total wind-up when said in another.


Posted By: A Evans
Date Posted: 27 December 2011 at 8:22pm
This whole argument can be summed up by one thing. If your a Liverpool fan you back him, if you aint you dont, simple.

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Posted By: Gary Coleman
Date Posted: 28 December 2011 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by rap columbo rap columbo wrote:

ron atkinson bought black players, too


Isn't buying black people illegal since 1833?


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 31 December 2011 at 5:55pm
An official document on the ban has been released:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx" rel="nofollow - http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

Summary is on page 111.

Two very different stories about what was said during Evra and Suarez coming together - in Evra's case Suarez is clearly being abusive, and includes the colour of Evra's skin as part of this abuse, whereas in Suarez's version he is diffusing the situation by use of the word negrito in a friendly way and by pinching Evra (page 5).

Suarez's version was not believed and the evidence he gave along with his performance as a witness was seen as unreliable.


Posted By: Turkish Fez
Date Posted: 31 December 2011 at 7:28pm
I work in London and have a lot to do with the South American Community and it is common for Colombian's for instance to refer to small Black Colombian friends as Negrito, some even have it as there nickname.
Blimey it was not that long ago that Sean Fitpatrick caused a storm playing against England when he said when Victor Ubogu came on the pitch 'lets see if the Black B-----d can scrum!'. He was AB captain and probably the most respected players in the world and a strong supporter of Ethnic culture and differences.


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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 14 January 2012 at 8:44am
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

big differences here...

Ron Atkinson - Stupid black B*****d
John Terry - (allegedly) Black C***
Suarez - Negrito....

now the word Neger is used throughout europe as a a Neutral term for black people...

the point is where do we draw the line. the word N****r which I find highly offensive as it is a slang word. Neger is commonly used in Holland and Germany...
We draw the line at what people actually believe to be offensive, and here the word was found to be offensive and a complaint made.  Had nobody complained, then fair enough, but a complaint was made, which is grounds enough.

The point about racism is that it doesn't matter whether the person who made the remark was a racist or not, and it doesn't matter whether they intended to offend or not.  What matters is that offense was taken by another person.  It doesn't even have to be the person that the word was aimed at, who was offended.  That person might not be offended; but if someone in the crowd, or watching on TV took offense, then that is also grounds for charging someone.



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Posted By: gnasher1975
Date Posted: 16 January 2012 at 2:27pm
If you are suspending somebody for being racist and not taking his background or culture into account in any way shape or form is that not a form of racism in itself??
Graham taylor is quoted as saying "That means not just the rules of the game but what's acceptable as the law of the land,
and what isn't acceptable both on and off the pitch. This is about treating people equally."
When Evra has openly admitted he was abusive to suarez and said personal things about his family. So when is Evra going to be charged with bringing the game into disrepute.


Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 11:56am
So Evra gets booed when he returns to Anfield. Liverpool obviously has a problem with reality, as does Kenny Dalglish.

At the press conference after the game, he was asked if he felt any sympathy for Evra considering the abuse he was subjected to by the fans (one of which has been arrested, by the way). He responded by saying "Are you winding me up? Why would I be disappointed for Patrice Evra?" He went on to talk about how he'd been booed as a footballer (what, exactly, does that have to do with it?). He then asked if anyone had any more questions about the actual game when he was asked, again, about the Evra treatment:

"You don't see it as an issue that a player who has been racially abused has then been abused by the crowd?"

His answer? "I cannot believe you asked that question.......the fans are entitled to support their team, no problem, a bit of banter between two teams, and I don't think there was anything there that was untoward".

Dalglish (and the Liverpool fans, for that matter) obviously have serious issues. You'd have thought that Dalglish, having dealt with the matter so appalingly originally would have had time to reflect and offer some kind of tacit apology or even a minor acknowledgement of wrongdoing but apprently not.

Perhaps the Man Utd chants to Liverpool of "Always the victim, never your fault" was spot on. Perhaps, also, Dalglish is so steeped in the sectarian nonsense of Glasgow that he can't see what's wrong with his supporters booing someone that was racially abused by one of his players.

Whatever respect I may have had for Kenny Dalglish has now been completely destroyed.



Posted By: y ddraig bwyd
Date Posted: 29 January 2012 at 12:32pm
Agree totally Abbey
Dalglish no longer has any credability and the chant
"always the victim, never your fault" really does sum up Liverpool FC as history proves!!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30 January 2012 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

So Evra gets booed when he returns to Anfield. Liverpool obviously has a problem with reality, as does Kenny Dalglish.

At the press conference after the game, he was asked if he felt any sympathy for Evra considering the abuse he was subjected to by the fans (one of which has been arrested, by the way). He responded by saying "Are you winding me up? Why would I be disappointed for Patrice Evra?" He went on to talk about how he'd been booed as a footballer (what, exactly, does that have to do with it?). He then asked if anyone had any more questions about the actual game when he was asked, again, about the Evra treatment:

"You don't see it as an issue that a player who has been racially abused has then been abused by the crowd?"

His answer? "I cannot believe you asked that question.......the fans are entitled to support their team, no problem, a bit of banter between two teams, and I don't think there was anything there that was untoward".

Dalglish (and the Liverpool fans, for that matter) obviously have serious issues. You'd have thought that Dalglish, having dealt with the matter so appalingly originally would have had time to reflect and offer some kind of tacit apology or even a minor acknowledgement of wrongdoing but apprently not.

Perhaps the Man Utd chants to Liverpool of "Always the victim, never your fault" was spot on. Perhaps, also, Dalglish is so steeped in the sectarian nonsense of Glasgow that he can't see what's wrong with his supporters booing someone that was racially abused by one of his players.

Whatever respect I may have had for Kenny Dalglish has now been completely destroyed.

superb post!!!



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