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Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

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Noticed a lot of Tweets by Labour on how they’d get rid of all these problems. Can’t help but think they’re a total waste of time seeing as there’s a Tory government. 

Whatever Labour do it seems they can’t win, on one hand there’s people out there who say they haven’t got a plan if they ever got into power, then if they do say something it’s regarded as pointless. 
labour handed bojo the last election by appointing the worst leader of all time in corbyn. Who ever helped him gain powetr should be ashamed of themselves. Statmer is a million times better than that fella
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Well there was a theory going around at the time that lots of Tory voters signed up to the Labour Party just to be able vote Corbin into the leader role, if so, they played a blinder and reaped the rewards of a landslide victory in the GE.
I don’t know if there was any truth in it though, but it was doing the rounds in the media.
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Well truss looks a nailed on cert surely she can’t win a ge?
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Noticed a lot of Tweets by Labour on how they’d get rid of all these problems. Can’t help but think they’re a total waste of time seeing as there’s a Tory government. 

Whatever Labour do it seems they can’t win, on one hand there’s people out there who say they haven’t got a plan if they ever got into power, then if they do say something it’s regarded as pointless. 
labour handed bojo the last election by appointing the worst leader of all time in corbyn. Who ever helped him gain powetr should be ashamed of themselves. Statmer is a million times better than that fella

Boris won the last election mostly because in effect it was a second referendum. 
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And because outside of his rabid fan base most people dislike corbyn 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Well truss looks a nailed on cert surely she can’t win a ge?
Whoever wins it will be the most boring election ever not a personality amongst any of them and all out of touch. 
She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Well truss looks a nailed on cert surely she can’t win a ge?
Whoever wins it will be the most boring election ever not a personality amongst any of them and all out of touch. 
0.2 % of the population get to decide which muppet is going to screw us next.Angry
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Well truss looks a nailed on cert surely she can’t win a ge?
Whoever wins it will be the most boring election ever not a personality amongst any of them and all out of touch. 
0.2 % of the population get to decide which muppet is going to screw us next.Angry

Anyone who voted Conservative should know this so it's on them. Wonder how all those red wall Tory voters are feeling about the amazing opportunities leveling up has brought them?

Truss is from Leeds however, which will go in her favour. I would say actions speak louder than words but we're far beyond that in current sound byte politics. Something Johnson - or those pulling his strings- understood very well. 
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I am far from being a tory supporter being born into a mining family & community who suffered severe hardship in the Thatcher era. However I have to say to those on here who mock the people who allowed Boris to have an 80 seat majority. Ask yourself the very simple question - would you realistically have wanted to see Corbyn running this country. It would have been very enlightening for instance to have seen his response to the Ukraine war. 

Until we are presented with an alternative party with real policies I would not bet on a Truss led party winning the next election perhaps with a reduced majority but winning nevertheless. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I am far from being a tory supporter being born into a mining family & community who suffered severe hardship in the Thatcher era. However I have to say to those on here who mock the people who allowed Boris to have an 80 seat majority. Ask yourself the very simple question - would you realistically have wanted to see Corbyn running this country. It would have been very enlightening for instance to have seen his response to the Ukraine war. 

Until we are presented with an alternative party with real policies I would not bet on a Truss led party winning the next election perhaps with a reduced majority but winning nevertheless. 

Oh yeah, I'm soooo glad we escaped the complete chaos the Conservatives told us that would have been a Corbyn government. Oh wait a minute...

As SA14 will no doubt point out for the nth time it was Brexit election. Most people's decision making was based on personality of Johnson and Corbyn, not their policies. I'm not a Labour member at all and do not blindly follow them whatsoever. In fact, I wish they were far stronger in opposition as well but we all know Johnson won votes primarily because he is seen as charismatic and a bit of a laugh. If you vote for someone completely unsuited to rule with such an obvious outcome then it's on you. All the evidence was there.

As to there not being another realistic option with Corbyn, I seriously doubt it would have been worse but he never had a fair chance due to the stranglehold Conservatives have on the media and split in the left-wing press. As for Ed Milliband, they simply smear them as a communist/socialist who wants to destroy the country and the job is done. Enough people believe this nonsense. Notice as well that a few things in Macdonnell's really interesting manifesto were mocked at the time (e.g. free broadband for all households?) yet appeared in Tory discussions during lockdowns. 

But yes, if Corbyn was too offputting to win a GE then I completely agree he should have never been made Labour leader. But this does not change just how bad Johnson has been - something we all actually have to live with rather than the hypothetical scenario of Corbyn. 

Brexit - or let us say how it was implemented to avoid argument - has forced the UK into a very poor situation politically, I cannot see any other conclusion that this. But you just look around the world to see the rise of nationalist and populist parties (with right/far-right anti-immigration) and this is nothing unique to here.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I am far from being a tory supporter being born into a mining family & community who suffered severe hardship in the Thatcher era. However I have to say to those on here who mock the people who allowed Boris to have an 80 seat majority. Ask yourself the very simple question - would you realistically have wanted to see Corbyn running this country. It would have been very enlightening for instance to have seen his response to the Ukraine war. 

Until we are presented with an alternative party with real policies I would not bet on a Truss led party winning the next election perhaps with a reduced majority but winning nevertheless. 

Oh yeah, I'm soooo glad we escaped the complete chaos the Conservatives told us that would have been a Corbyn government. Oh wait a minute...

As SA14 will no doubt point out for the nth time it was Brexit election. Most people's decision making was based on personality of Johnson and Corbyn, not their policies. I'm not a Labour member at all and do not blindly follow them whatsoever. In fact, I wish they were far stronger in opposition as well but we all know Johnson won votes primarily because he is seen as charismatic and a bit of a laugh. If you vote for someone completely unsuited to rule with such an obvious outcome then it's on you. All the evidence was there.

As to there not being another realistic option with Corbyn, I seriously doubt it would have been worse but he never had a fair chance due to the stranglehold Conservatives have on the media and split in the left-wing press. As for Ed Milliband, they simply smear them as a communist/socialist who wants to destroy the country and the job is done. Enough people believe this nonsense. Notice as well that a few things in Macdonnell's really interesting manifesto were mocked at the time (e.g. free broadband for all households?) yet appeared in Tory discussions during lockdowns. 

But yes, if Corbyn was too offputting to win a GE then I completely agree he should have never been made Labour leader. But this does not change just how bad Johnson has been - something we all actually have to live with rather than the hypothetical scenario of Corbyn. 

Brexit - or let us say how it was implemented to avoid argument - has forced the UK into a very poor situation politically, I cannot see any other conclusion that this. But you just look around the world to see the rise of nationalist and populist parties (with right/far-right anti-immigration) and this is nothing unique to here.

Did I mention…… 😂
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I am far from being a tory supporter being born into a mining family & community who suffered severe hardship in the Thatcher era. However I have to say to those on here who mock the people who allowed Boris to have an 80 seat majority. Ask yourself the very simple question - would you realistically have wanted to see Corbyn running this country. It would have been very enlightening for instance to have seen his response to the Ukraine war. 

Until we are presented with an alternative party with real policies I would not bet on a Truss led party winning the next election perhaps with a reduced majority but winning nevertheless. 

Oh yeah, I'm soooo glad we escaped the complete chaos the Conservatives told us that would have been a Corbyn government. Oh wait a minute...

As SA14 will no doubt point out for the nth time it was Brexit election. Most people's decision making was based on personality of Johnson and Corbyn, not their policies. I'm not a Labour member at all and do not blindly follow them whatsoever. In fact, I wish they were far stronger in opposition as well but we all know Johnson won votes primarily because he is seen as charismatic and a bit of a laugh. If you vote for someone completely unsuited to rule with such an obvious outcome then it's on you. All the evidence was there.

As to there not being another realistic option with Corbyn, I seriously doubt it would have been worse but he never had a fair chance due to the stranglehold Conservatives have on the media and split in the left-wing press. As for Ed Milliband, they simply smear them as a communist/socialist who wants to destroy the country and the job is done. Enough people believe this nonsense. Notice as well that a few things in Macdonnell's really interesting manifesto were mocked at the time (e.g. free broadband for all households?) yet appeared in Tory discussions during lockdowns. 

But yes, if Corbyn was too offputting to win a GE then I completely agree he should have never been made Labour leader. But this does not change just how bad Johnson has been - something we all actually have to live with rather than the hypothetical scenario of Corbyn. 

Brexit - or let us say how it was implemented to avoid argument - has forced the UK into a very poor situation politically, I cannot see any other conclusion that this. But you just look around the world to see the rise of nationalist and populist parties (with right/far-right anti-immigration) and this is nothing unique to here.

May I respectfully suggest that you are missing a very glaring point Dr M. The world is littered with failed politicians who, if given a chance, could/would have done so much better than the eventual winners. To get to make a difference - good or bad - you have to have something which convinces the British voters. The ideal thing to have would be strong, well costed policies which appeal to the majority of the people. Without that you are left with the appeal of the leaders - in this case - baffoon or communist sympathiser - baffoon with one policy get Brexit done, communist sympathiser don't know what I think about Brexit - baffoon wins hands down.

Corbyn was a fence sitter and in many instances his stance was correct - condemnation of the Iraq war, having some sympathy with the Irish republican struggle but his inability to be decisive shone through & cost the Labour party a crack at ruling. 
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Yup, completely fair. You have to get into power first before then doing something with it. So only natural the focus is then far more on the former rather than the latter.

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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Yup, completely fair. You have to get into power first before then doing something with it. So only natural the focus is then far more on the former rather than the latter.

in fairness labour been in power in wales for 20 years to no great effect unless you live in cardiff. The torys are a shower of merde dear me what a tine for british politics

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Yup, completely fair. You have to get into power first before then doing something with it. So only natural the focus is then far more on the former rather than the latter.

in fairness labour been in power in wales for 20 years to no great effect unless you live in cardiff. The torys are a shower of merde dear me what a tine for british politics

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So Truss is too busy to appear in live TV.  Sounds like she’s taken a leaf out of BOJO’s book.  If I know I’ll get a grilling over my policies I’ll just run and hide and hope that the questions will go away and that the voters will forget.
Boris did it for the live leaders debate and even locked himself into a refrigerator to avoid speaking to a TV journalist.
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