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Just seen the Telegraph headline about Truss's "comeback". Apparently the reason she didn't get a chance to cut taxes is because of a conspiracy by "the left wing economic establishment." The right wing in the UK pumps out bullsh*t propaganda on an epic scale like raw sewage into the sea. It blights public discourse, contaminating conversations everywhere with the regurgitation of narratives repeated and repeated until they're embedded as memes. Public discourse becomes a "rallying to the flag" exercise and mindful analysis goes out the window as the tribes go to social media battle. Iesu Grist it's pathetic.

For the avoidance of doubt, it is an established recent historical fact that the dominant economic dogma of the West for the best part of the last five decades has been neo-liberalism - an inherently right wing economic creed. Truss and the Telegraph are either deluded or lying. IMHO the latter is most likely.
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I think that quote is from Truss's essay within. It indicates she is both clueless and exceptionally stubborn. Things we knew already and exactly why she, the "human hand grenade", crashed the economy. That she has no humility and offers no apology shouldn't surprise anyone and the creation of yet another imaginary scapegoat to try and deflect her own incompetence on to is Tory modus operandi.

She admits she did not realise the political opposition to, or economic impact of, her plans. So, basically, didn't understand a [beep]ing thing and was driven solely by ideology. It really makes me wonder how much she got out of her PPE  degree, where I can only assume her philosophy marks compensated for her failing politics and economics. I'd hazard a guess she specialised in narcissism and delusional philosophy. 

THIS is the person Conservative MPs and members thought would make a great PM.

Also it's been apparently newsworthy that Johnson is jetting around to the us and Ukraine giving his poorly considered advice as if he was still a high ranking politician. Where does he get the money from? Oh right, of course. Wonder if his personal donors want their money back?

These two individuals should accept they failed and go away out of front line politics. At least Cameron did.


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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I think that quote is from Truss's essay within. It indicates she is both clueless and exceptionally stubborn. Things we knew already and exactly why she, the "human hand grenade", crashed the economy. That she has no humility and offers no apology shouldn't surprise anyone and the creation of yet another imaginary scapegoat to try and deflect her own incompetence on to is Tory modus operandi.

She admits she did not realise the political opposition to, or economic impact of, her plans. So, basically, didn't understand a [beep]ing thing and was driven solely by ideology. It really makes me wonder how much she got out of her PPE  degree, where I can only assume her philosophy marks compensated for her failing politics and economics. I'd hazard a guess she specialised in narcissism and delusional philosophy. 

THIS is the person Conservative MPs and members thought would make a great PM.

Also it's been apparently newsworthy that Johnson is jetting around to the us and Ukraine giving his poorly considered advice as if he was still a high ranking politician. Where does he get the money from? Oh right, of course. Wonder if his personal donors want their money back?

These two individuals should accept they failed and go away out of front line politics. At least Cameron did.

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Spot on Dr M, they are both failed PMs who have caused irreparable damage to the economy (Truss) and in the trust and integrity of government (Bojo).
It’s still amazing that they still have the bare faced cheek to still swan around at huge cost spouting out S..t whilst at the same time refusing to admit their mistakes.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I think that quote is from Truss's essay within. It indicates she is both clueless and exceptionally stubborn. Things we knew already and exactly why she, the "human hand grenade", crashed the economy. That she has no humility and offers no apology shouldn't surprise anyone and the creation of yet another imaginary scapegoat to try and deflect her own incompetence on to is Tory modus operandi.

She admits she did not realise the political opposition to, or economic impact of, her plans. So, basically, didn't understand a [beep]ing thing and was driven solely by ideology. It really makes me wonder how much she got out of her PPE  degree, where I can only assume her philosophy marks compensated for her failing politics and economics. I'd hazard a guess she specialised in narcissism and delusional philosophy. 

THIS is the person Conservative MPs and members thought would make a great PM.

Also it's been apparently newsworthy that Johnson is jetting around to the us and Ukraine giving his poorly considered advice as if he was still a high ranking politician. Where does he get the money from? Oh right, of course. Wonder if his personal donors want their money back?

These two individuals should accept they failed and go away out of front line politics. At least Cameron did.

That is an absolutely  brilliant  post.
Two disgusting  individuals..both NEVER APOLOGISED. 
The arrogance  is stunning.
Labour and everyone else, just keep on reminding  the public.
Problem is short memories Ouch

Totallybiasedscarlet  is right to highlight  the laughable press we have in UK.
I notice whe there have been Tory " car crashes"(pick from so many),Mail / Express attempts  to divert, by printing somthing  else..Harry /Megan etc.
Pathetic! 
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Boris Johnson did an interview on telly saying he reckons the Tories can win the next general election 
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Boris Johnson did an interview on telly saying he reckons the Tories can win the next general election 
Like much of what he said, the line between truth and fiction was blurred
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It will be interesting to see whether BOJO gets elected by the constituent’s of Uxbridge in next years GE.  He has upset a load of constituents by his inability to say the truth about pretty much everything and his inability to acknowledge any of his own lies or errors.
I believe that he was probably elected due to his (then) likability, entertainment value and his ability to make things happen for his constituents.  His actions or lack of, over the past 12-18 months have now caused them embarrassment.
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I think that quote is from Truss's essay within. It indicates she is both clueless and exceptionally stubborn. Things we knew already and exactly why she, the "human hand grenade", crashed the economy. That she has no humility and offers no apology shouldn't surprise anyone and the creation of yet another imaginary scapegoat to try and deflect her own incompetence on to is Tory modus operandi.

She admits she did not realise the political opposition to, or economic impact of, her plans. So, basically, didn't understand a [beep]ing thing and was driven solely by ideology. It really makes me wonder how much she got out of her PPE  degree, where I can only assume her philosophy marks compensated for her failing politics and economics. I'd hazard a guess she specialised in narcissism and delusional philosophy. 

THIS is the person Conservative MPs and members thought would make a great PM.

Also it's been apparently newsworthy that Johnson is jetting around to the us and Ukraine giving his poorly considered advice as if he was still a high ranking politician. Where does he get the money from? Oh right, of course. Wonder if his personal donors want their money back?

These two individuals should accept they failed and go away out of front line politics. At least Cameron did.

That is an absolutely  brilliant  post.
Two disgusting  individuals..both NEVER APOLOGISED. 
The arrogance  is stunning.
Labour and everyone else, just keep on reminding  the public.
Problem is short memories Ouch

Totallybiasedscarlet  is right to highlight  the laughable press we have in UK.
I notice whe there have been Tory " car crashes"(pick from so many),Mail / Express attempts  to divert, by printing somthing  else..Harry /Megan etc.
Pathetic! 

Why thank you. The lack of apology should be highlighted because she is refusing to apologise for her decisions making life worse for the majority of UK people. That is irrespective of whether she thinks it was the right thing to do as, even if this were true, she did it the wrong way. The lack of apology says she simply does not acknowledge or care about the catastrophic outcome her brief tenure had. 

Ultimately, irrespective of left/right politics or my own views, we should all expect a PM to care about the majority of people in the country they govern. She gave no indication that was the case nor does she now. Even if I'm being naive, we should still expect them to attempt to run the country smoothly. She can't even argue it was "all about the economy" as she destroyed that in her trademark hand grenade style. She has nothing. What she says has no credibility.


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Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Just seen the Telegraph headline about Truss's "comeback". Apparently the reason she didn't get a chance to cut taxes is because of a conspiracy by "the left wing economic establishment." The right wing in the UK pumps out bullsh*t propaganda on an epic scale like raw sewage into the sea. It blights public discourse, contaminating conversations everywhere with the regurgitation of narratives repeated and repeated until they're embedded as memes. Public discourse becomes a "rallying to the flag" exercise and mindful analysis goes out the window as the tribes go to social media battle. Iesu Grist it's pathetic.

For the avoidance of doubt, it is an established recent historical fact that the dominant economic dogma of the West for the best part of the last five decades has been neo-liberalism - an inherently right wing economic creed. Truss and the Telegraph are either deluded or lying. IMHO the latter is most likely.

Excellent post.

In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I think that quote is from Truss's essay within. It indicates she is both clueless and exceptionally stubborn. Things we knew already and exactly why she, the "human hand grenade", crashed the economy. That she has no humility and offers no apology shouldn't surprise anyone and the creation of yet another imaginary scapegoat to try and deflect her own incompetence on to is Tory modus operandi.

She admits she did not realise the political opposition to, or economic impact of, her plans. So, basically, didn't understand a [beep]ing thing and was driven solely by ideology. It really makes me wonder how much she got out of her PPE  degree, where I can only assume her philosophy marks compensated for her failing politics and economics. I'd hazard a guess she specialised in narcissism and delusional philosophy. 

THIS is the person Conservative MPs and members thought would make a great PM.

Also it's been apparently newsworthy that Johnson is jetting around to the us and Ukraine giving his poorly considered advice as if he was still a high ranking politician. Where does he get the money from? Oh right, of course. Wonder if his personal donors want their money back?

These two individuals should accept they failed and go away out of front line politics. At least Cameron did.

As always excellent 
In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

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So the majority of NHS staff in England are out on strike today over pay and conditions.  Strikes planned in Scotland and Wales have been called off as the devolved governments have put new pay offers to the unions - and ultimately the staff.  This despite the fact that the devolved governments have their hands tied (to a certain extent) by the Westminster government.
Even the bosses of the NHS in England (who have been fairly quiet in all of this up to now) are saying that the government needs to go to the negotiating table, stating their the stance of the government is out of kilter with that of the devolved governments and is looking even more stupid and out of touch than ever before.
The government is still sticking to its usual sound bite of “the independent pay awards board set the amount on offer” and that they were honouring that award - which was suggested last February (a year ago) when inflation was at about 3% and the cost of energy and gas were around £1500 per annum and not £4000.
I’m sure that the health secretary Steven Barclay doesn’t have the same financial problems that most health staff have, whilst the Health Minister Maria Caulfield (whose been invisible in recent weeks) who is allegedly a practicing nurse, surely would be out on the picket line herself if she had to live on her nurses wage as opposed to her MPs salary.

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Also, this quote from Truss: "I assumed upon entering Downing Street my mandate would be respected. How wrong I was".

She was not elected by the electorate. The policies she was trying to implement were definitively not part of the Conservative Party manifesto that Johnson ran on and won. Therefore, she did not have a mandate.

This isn't just me being nasty, either, it is simply pointing out her quote shows that either she doesn't know what a mandate is, is deliberately ignoring and then misrepresenting the facts (aka lying), or is deluded.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I think that quote is from Truss's essay within. It indicates she is both clueless and exceptionally stubborn. Things we knew already and exactly why she, the "human hand grenade", crashed the economy. That she has no humility and offers no apology shouldn't surprise anyone and the creation of yet another imaginary scapegoat to try and deflect her own incompetence on to is Tory modus operandi.

She admits she did not realise the political opposition to, or economic impact of, her plans. So, basically, didn't understand a [beep]ing thing and was driven solely by ideology. It really makes me wonder how much she got out of her PPE  degree, where I can only assume her philosophy marks compensated for her failing politics and economics. I'd hazard a guess she specialised in narcissism and delusional philosophy. 

THIS is the person Conservative MPs and members thought would make a great PM.

Also it's been apparently newsworthy that Johnson is jetting around to the us and Ukraine giving his poorly considered advice as if he was still a high ranking politician. Where does he get the money from? Oh right, of course. Wonder if his personal donors want their money back?

These two individuals should accept they failed and go away out of front line politics. At least Cameron did.

That is an absolutely  brilliant  post.
Two disgusting  individuals..both NEVER APOLOGISED. 
The arrogance  is stunning.
Labour and everyone else, just keep on reminding  the public.
Problem is short memories Ouch

Totallybiasedscarlet  is right to highlight  the laughable press we have in UK.
I notice whe there have been Tory " car crashes"(pick from so many),Mail / Express attempts  to divert, by printing somthing  else..Harry /Megan etc.
Pathetic! 

Why thank you. The lack of apology should be highlighted because she is refusing to apologise for her decisions making life worse for the majority of UK people. That is irrespective of whether she thinks it was the right thing to do as, even if this were true, she did it the wrong way. The lack of apology says she simply does not acknowledge or care about the catastrophic outcome her brief tenure had. 

Ultimately, irrespective of left/right politics or my own views, we should all expect a PM to care about the majority of people in the country they govern. She gave no indication that was the case nor does she now. Even if I'm being naive, we should still expect them to attempt to run the country smoothly. She can't even argue it was "all about the economy" as she destroyed that in her trademark hand grenade style. She has nothing. What she says has no credibility.

You are both completely right, of course.

Truss had the cheek to say that she "wasn't told" of the likely reaction to her absurd plans.

And WHY wasn't she 'told'?

Because she and Kwarteng REFUSED the offer to check the figures from the Office of Budget RESPONSIBILITY - which allowed them to behave irresponsibly.

How was this even POSSIBLE? Since the OBR are supposed to feed in an opinion on any BUDGET before it is published?

Because, despite committing the government to many BILLIONS of tax cuts for the very rich, they didn't call it a BUDGET but a 'FISCAL EVENT'.

If it had been called  budget, the deadly duo would have been FORCED to seek advice from the OBR; as it was, they went their merry way by side-stepping the requirement to seek advice.

And now Truss says she "wasn't told"? FFS - she wasn't told because, not only did she not ask - she made sure that the experts were kicked into the long grass!

THis sort of dishonesty makes me really sick to my stomach.


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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

You are both completely right, of course.

People as wrong as Truss make it very easy for us.

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

THis sort of dishonesty makes me really sick to my stomach.

Yet another person who orbits many light years from honesty and any time their paths cross it's simply coincidence.

It's gold dust for the Labour party if she's trying to get back into frontline politics, however.
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Truss  really is deluded. 
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Will the council drop their increased fees below inflation ? Why didn't they freeze them during COVID when businesses were not allowed to operate...whose speaking up for smes in Wales ???
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