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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

If anyone needed any proof about where we are with a tory government i suggest they listen to jeremy vine today to the disabled woman(who does work) who has to put layers of clothes on to keep warm and has to eat £1 iceland meals because you can do them in the microwave,this is like the 1800's

It is terrible. One look at the likes of Rees-Mogg and we can see that they find a great deal about the Victorian era attractive.

Anyone read Rees-Mogg Senior's book? "The sovereign individual." Quite informative. 

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His dad was a great journo in fairness. I quite like rees mogg at least he’s open and upfront with his views be they right or wrong
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

His dad was a great journo in fairness. I quite like rees mogg at least he’s open and upfront with his views be they right or wrong

Mystic Mogg Private eye called him. Well, I can agree that jnr (like snr) is at least open about his views, yes ... not that I can find much to commend in them LOL 
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African leaders are quietly impressed and taking notes around the level of misdirection and skullduggery going in the UK right now.

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So the met have asked Sue Grey to remove anything that they feel may prejudice their own investigations into partygate.
Does anyone else see a met / Downing Street stickup or the highest order happening here.  We’ll have a watered down report from Sue Grey and then surprise surprise; the met will find no wrongdoing.  This would suit both parties, as Boris gets off and The met get away with allowing these parties (working meetings) to happen on their watch - Boris and Cressida Dick both keep their jobs (happy days).
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So the met have asked Sue Grey to remove anything that they feel may prejudice their own investigations into partygate.
Does anyone else see a met / Downing Street stitch up or the highest order happening here.  We’ll have a watered down report from Sue Grey and then surprise surprise; the met will find no wrongdoing.  This would suit both parties, as Boris gets off and The met get away with allowing these parties (working meetings) to happen on their watch - Boris and Cressida Dick both keep their jobs (happy days).
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So the met have asked Sue Grey to remove anything that they feel may prejudice their own investigations into partygate.
Does anyone else see a met / Downing Street stickup or the highest order happening here.  We’ll have a watered down report from Sue Grey and then surprise surprise; the met will find no wrongdoing.  This would suit both parties, as Boris gets off and The met get away with allowing these parties (working meetings) to happen on their watch - Boris and Cressida Dick both keep their jobs (happy days).

Exactly, the pm the govt and the met police are all a laughing stock to the whole country and the entire world. This is a prime time for nationalist parties like plaed cymru to get their act together. Ive never been a nationalist, never been one for independent wales but if this clown isnt booted soon then the push for independent wales will grow like wildfire as its done in scotland. The scots are now closer to brexit 2 (Leaving uk) than ever...wales will surely follow if plaed can muster up a proper tidy comprehensive all inclusive manifesto beyond just the welsh language.... Thats not to say all this corruption will suddenly disappear but voters will become so disgusted and disillusioned they will go for anything other than the stinking corrupt status quo.


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Sounds like fairly standard procedure tbh. Once details of a police investigation are made public then that prejuduces the case doesn’t it? Meaning charges would have to be dropped, if borus has lied to parliament he is done regardless
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Sounds like fairly standard procedure tbh. Once details of a police investigation are made public then that prejuduces the case doesn’t it? Meaning charges would have to be dropped, if borus has lied to parliament he is done regardless

Its no mere coincidence the cops refused to investigate until the day before the sue report was about to be published. The whole thing is pathetic beyond words


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Isn’t the mets stance they won’t retrospectively make arrests for breaches of covid? 
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I am with RR on this - pretty standard procedure. Sue Gray has forced the Met to act thats for sure. I do not see this lady, a professional civil servant of many years standing, risking her reputation going down the pan along with Boris and his cronies. She intends being in Westminster long after they leave. 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Sounds like fairly standard procedure tbh. Once details of a police investigation are made public then that prejuduces the case doesn’t it? Meaning charges would have to be dropped, if borus has lied to parliament he is done regardless
The met statement said that they didn’t want their investigation prejudiced. When has information being in the public domain ever prejudiced a police investigation? Prejudice a jury I could understand but not prejudicing a police investigation. If all the met are looking into is covid breaches then those would be dealt via either fixed penalty notices or, at worst, magistrate courts. If on the other hand their looking into something along the lines of misconduct in public office I could understand not publishing the report so as not to further prejudice a potential jury. Unless the met are thinking about charges as serious as that then it makes no sense to me to delay the Sue Gray report.  
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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Sounds like fairly standard procedure tbh. Once details of a police investigation are made public then that prejuduces the case doesn’t it? Meaning charges would have to be dropped, if borus has lied to parliament he is done regardless
The met statement said that they didn’t want their investigation prejudiced. When has information being in the public domain ever prejudiced a police investigation? Prejudice a jury I could understand but not prejudicing a police investigation. If all the met are looking into is covid breaches then those would be dealt via either fixed penalty notices or, at worst, magistrate courts. If on the other hand their looking into something along the lines of misconduct in public office I could understand not publishing the report so as not to further prejudice a potential jury. Unless the met are thinking about charges as serious as that then it makes no sense to me to delay the Sue Gray report.  

Any conclusions contained in the Sue Gray report would undoubtedly prejudice the outcome of the Met investigation. That is human nature whether the Met end up exonerating, fining or indeed bringing someone to trial. It is right and proper to allow the Met to make their enquiries before publication. Limited publication of episodes outside the Met's brief could of course be published immediately. 
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Because attending a covid party would just get you a fixed penalty fine if you accept it, if you don’t and go to court to fight it becomes a criminal matter and this could  prejudice the case i would guess?
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because attending a covid party would just get you a fixed penalty fine if you accept it, if you don’t and go to court to fight it becomes a criminal matter and this could  prejudice the case i would guess?

I've been looking at the twitter accounts of some leading journalists today. Many are quoting the views of leading barristers who fail to understand why the report cannot be published. 

Some believe that this will benefit Johnson by allowing people's mood to calm down with the passage of time. However, leading Tories are accusing other parties of trivialising the matter by going on about a cake.

In truth, it's the Tories who are trivialising it by making it about a cake. It's far more serious than that, it's about the PM lying in office to save his own skin. There are some doubts now whether the NI rise will go ahead, as backbenchers want it abolished/suspended. BJ is apparently thinking about it in order to avoid a vote of no confidence to save his own skin.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Sounds like fairly standard procedure tbh. Once details of a police investigation are made public then that prejuduces the case doesn’t it? Meaning charges would have to be dropped, if borus has lied to parliament he is done regardless

 
The met have been keeping a very low profile (like Boris has been trying to do) every since this sorry mess started coming into focus in Late November/ early December, as they had armed officers outside Downing Street 24/7 who never seemed to query what was going on and why people were allegedly turning up with a suitcase of alcohol, during times when the rest of the country were in level 3 or level 4 lockdown.
They have only now agreed to investigate after being asked too by Sue Grey (that’s what some politicians and political journalists are saying, anyway).
We all know that Cressida Dick was under a huge amount of pressure to quite following the mets handling of the Sarah everade murder and subsequent vigil, Boris backed her, keeping her in post, she’s now returning the favour for Boris - it’s not just me say it, some politicians are saying the same thing.
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