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ap sior
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Not since they chose Carwyn James, and he didn't do a bad job.
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SA14
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How many times have we seen it over the years. The infamous Pivac out cries on here turned into mr perfect. Then we started losing and it was Pivac out again. The life of a rugby coach. South Africa’s tactics were obvious. Slow the game down with ‘injuries’ I can more or less guarantee if we’d won the series he wouldn’t get half as much criticism.
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Wil Chips
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Not just slow the game down, but allow on field coaching at each of those injuries. Poor.
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La Rochelle were guilty of slowing the game down when we played at the Parc a few years ago. Whenever the Scarlets got some momentum going they took an injury. The ref can hardly tell a player that he's not injured !!! Two seasons ago, Toulon employed a more sinister tactic. Whenever LH lined up a shot at goal, be it a penalty or a conversion, one of their players went down injured, giving one of their 'coaches' an opportunity to walk around to the try line. The injured player was always on the side from where LH was going to take his kick. When LH had paced back and was steadying himself for the kick. Their 'coach' made his way along the touchline into LH's eyeline to try and distract him.
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dyniol53
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Agree, I find their faffing around before a scrum contemptible. You’re allowed 30 seconds before a scrum to “set” otherwise it’s a free-kick against you. This needs shortening and/or enforcing, with help from the TMO who should be marking when the ref called scrum and when the teams are ready. In fact I would have this for lots of parts of the game, box kicks “use it” call of 5 seconds should be enforced by the TMO, likewise when a team goes for the penalty kick or conversion the TMO should be timing to the second so that teams get penalised for any attempt to waste time. Likewise the coaches on-the pitch thing needs to be cut out.
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Given the current climate of protecting players, I don't think you can shorten it, but I agree it needs to be enforced more.
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I agree, but I think it’s genuinely obscene that there was 26m22seconds of ball in play time on Saturday. 26minutes of rugby!!
It would be good to speed it up so that players have to jog to scrums and lineouts if they want to catch their breath.
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When we start playing next month (lower leagues) the ball will be in play a lot more given the law changes & the fact there will only be scrums for knock ons. Forward passes or not straight at lineout will be a tap & pass.
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Why
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Rugby league then. Easy fix is offside line moved back 3 yards and scrum halves in play as soon as they touch ball again. Would cut out lots of dreadful box kicking and give attacking side more time with extra yards.
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She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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SA14
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Not forgetting the physio within yards of the team shouting support. It’ll be criminal if people class Gatland as a poor coach if they base it on this Lions tour. They were within minutes of drawing the series.
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John
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He's not a poor coach, he is a really good coach or at least he has been a really good coach. But the final quarter of that game was so similar to the final quarter of our WC semi. Some of the players were the same but actually not many in the closing stages but there was a reluctance to go out and win the game, a fear of being responsible for losing that resulted in losing. That's a coaching issue because it was a team mindset. And that is a flaw in Gatland's current and recent coaching cv. Coupled with a disastrous domestic season in NZ last year and his record is a bit tarnished.
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GatlAnd hAs been a great coach. His cv shows that beyond doubt grand slams, heinkem cups,prenierships , winning lion series, itm cup etc. Not always easy to watch but his track record is excellent
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Cannot fault Gatland's cv and as a Welshman I will always like him for the way he transformed our national team. However this series has done nothing positive for that CV or indeed Townsend's. The coach who came out of this with his reputation enhanced for me was Robin McBryde.
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dyniol53
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He is a great coach and exactly as you say GPR what he did for cymru was always make us competitive. We could go into any game knowing it could go to the wire. That wasnt the case before him at all.
The big unproven part of his CV is can a team he coaches beat Southern Hemisphere sides regularly? Or can he do it coaching in NZ? Over the 3 Lions tours he’s finished 2-1, 1-1, 1-2 meaning he’s evens vs SH with what the best of the British isles have to offer. His welsh record vs the big 3 SH was very very poor, but perhaps the narrowness of many of the defeats is an indication of how good he is. He may well have to coach England if he wants to amend his reputation vs the big 3 SH but I think he’s done with NH rugby now and will coach in NZ to see if they offer him a job to take over the ABs but not sure he’s desperate for it.
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Thats a very fair summation. I am not too sure about him being finished with Northern Hemisphere. I think the top International coaching job in World Rugby is the England gig - certainly from a remuneration point of view. If fast Eddie doesn't improve England's results markedly in the next 6 nations I could see Gats being offered the job as Scarletnut alluded to. With the forward power available and Marcus Smith to pull the strings at 10 he would fancy World Cup success in 2023. Also I believe Scott Robertson must be the next cab off the rank in NZ so I don't see Gats waiting around in Waikato.
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I would be surprised if England aren’t sizing Robertson up post-2023 They do like to keep the coach English if they can, but not sure Rob Baxter, Steve Borthwick or Andy Farrell would want it
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