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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SMELLYMIKE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2011 at 8:58pm
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Originally posted by TonduTurk TonduTurk wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by A Evans A Evans wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/14189659.stm

What about the new Bridgend stadium then, is it linked to this team..

It will be very interesting to see who plays from that stadium. If anybody.


dont think its been approved yet (i'm sure abbey can give us more details).

i'll be shocked if it ever gets built. to build the whole complex must be about £100 Million !!. where's the money going to come from. i'm sure it'll all go tits-up and they'll build houses instead (which is why, i think, the crusaders failed, the people in charge arent really interested in the rugby, they're more interested in the land/complex and building on it).

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i dont know how the crusaders withdrawing their application will affect wrexham fc (maybe administration ?).


Bridgend County Borough Council have approved outline planning permission based on the fact that there will be three stadia (one 15,000 for the Crusaders, one 5,000 seat for Bridgend Ravens and one 2,000 seat for Bridgend Town FC) as well as a swimming pool and tennis centre.

Problem is that in order for this to fall within the local planning development plan, there has to be an over-riding need. They've always insisted that the Crusaders would return to play in Bridgend, despite having a 25-year agreement to play in Wrexham. The over-riding need disappears without the 15,000 seat stadium.

The planning application now passes to the Welsh Government as there is self interest in Bridgend as some land is council owned which will be sold to the developers.

Who knows what the Welsh Government will do but the developers say that they don't need a "resident" team as people like the Welsh FA and WRU have shown an interest in the stadium. Really? So they build a £25M stadium so that Wales can play Luxembourg once in every few years there? Is that cost effective?

Anyway, the upshot is that planning will be given but the stadium will probably not get built.................unless the Ospreys play there!!!

They then can downsize the main stadium to away supporters +25.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Crug Mawr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2011 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Oh well .... The Scorpions live on ( hopefully ) !
I am with you on that. picked up a few Scorpions games recently.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lofty evans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2011 at 11:14am
To be fair there are quite a lot of Os fans in the Bridgend area,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary Coleman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2011 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Oh well .... The Scorpions live on ( hopefully ) !


I've never seen them live, although I did see Michael Schenker perform Rock You Like A Hurricane live last Sunday afternoon.
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Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

 The same fate would have befallen the rugby union pro team had Moffett been allowed to have his way in 2003 and sited the 4th team up there instead of in Llanelli.
 

There is no tradition of supporting ANY top level rugby up there. It is soccer country.

 

Sorry for everybody who is losing their jobs mind. Not good at all.

 

 


Have to disagree there. There is a lot of support for rugby in North Wales it's just that the chances to watch it are limited. When the Scarlets played in North Wales crowds were on par with those at Stradey at the time. You would get over 10,000 going to watch Wales A play when they played there and the 1999 World Cup game between Japan and Samoa sold out as well.

The WRU have constantly seen North Wales as a nothing area in terms of rugby. A few seasons ago Llangefni finished second in Division 3 West and should have been promoted to division 2 West, but the WRU deemed that North Wales based teams should not be allowed to play teams from the south, actually relegated Llangefni down to Division 4 North. How is rugby meant to thrive in an area where the WRU blatently limit how far a club can develop?

As for the crusaders, crowds were better at Wrexham than they were at Bridgend, so in a way the Crusaders were doomed to failure right from the beginning. They expanded too quickly to get into the Super League and are no paying the price. They never captured the imagination of the public in the way they hoped.

What's baffling about the whole episode is that Wakefield are now allowed to stay in the Super League despite not meeting the criteria to gain a licence. Don't agree with the licence system at all, too many flaws and it only works in the best interests of a few. Feel really sorry for Halifax who by rights should now be a Super League side.

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Originally posted by Matty Matty wrote:

Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

 The same fate would have befallen the rugby union pro team had Moffett been allowed to have his way in 2003 and sited the 4th team up there instead of in Llanelli.
 

There is no tradition of supporting ANY top level rugby up there. It is soccer country.

 

Sorry for everybody who is losing their jobs mind. Not good at all.

 

 


Have to disagree there. There is a lot of support for rugby in North Wales it's just that the chances to watch it are limited. When the Scarlets played in North Wales crowds were on par with those at Stradey at the time. You would get over 10,000 going to watch Wales A play when they played there and the 1999 World Cup game between Japan and Samoa sold out as well.

The WRU have constantly seen North Wales as a nothing area in terms of rugby. A few seasons ago Llangefni finished second in Division 3 West and should have been promoted to division 2 West, but the WRU deemed that North Wales based teams should not be allowed to play teams from the south, actually relegated Llangefni down to Division 4 North. How is rugby meant to thrive in an area where the WRU blatently limit how far a club can develop?

As for the crusaders, crowds were better at Wrexham than they were at Bridgend, so in a way the Crusaders were doomed to failure right from the beginning. They expanded too quickly to get into the Super League and are no paying the price. They never captured the imagination of the public in the way they hoped.

What's baffling about the whole episode is that Wakefield are now allowed to stay in the Super League despite not meeting the criteria to gain a licence. Don't agree with the licence system at all, too many flaws and it only works in the best interests of a few. Feel really sorry for Halifax who by rights should now be a Super League side.

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To add to what Matty has said, a lot of our squad members are from North Wales - George North, Rob McCusker, Andy Fenby, Rhodri Jones to name but a few.  There really is a lot of rugby followers in North Wales and being born in North Wales and now living down in Llanelli for the past 10 years I believe that I have seen rugby in North Wales from two different perspectives. 
 
Firstly there are a lot of untapped quality rugby players in North Wales but I believe that the whole rugby system fails to deliver in nurturing young players from school age right up to senior rugby.
 
Secondly I think that due to the way transport links are in our country, North Wales will never really be considered as a part of Wales to truly compete with South Wales. Down here we are only a short distance away from truly world-class facilities and infrastructure. If someone from North Wales wanted to use an indoor training facility such as the barn that we have here at Parc y Scarlets I wouldn't have a clue where they could go to use such a facility. 
 
North Wales poeple seem to feel that they are second-class citizens in this country due to the fact that everything is geared towards the large conurbations of South Wales - and in short they are right.
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