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 Posted: 08 November 2021 at 5:43pm |
With all respect to Graham Price yes he was World class in his day but that was a long time ago.
I’d listen more to any prop playing a decent standard with these new rules. The game has considerably moved on.
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Posted: 08 November 2021 at 6:16pm |
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With all respect to Graham Price yes he was World class in his day but that was a long time ago.
I’d listen more to any prop playing a decent standard with these new rules. The game has considerably moved on. |
scrummaging against older mire more exoerienced props can only be a good thing for young props price raises a valid point
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In today's game a top class prop must do his work about the field AND be able to more than hold his own in the set pieces. This is where the game has moved on compared to the days when props were just expected to scrummage in the mud and lift the occasional second row in the line-out.
They could consider themselves unlucky if they had to take a pass 10 yards out and carry towards the line. The Premiership still has these dinosaurs but they are very good at their specialist subject - putting young wannabe props in their place - up in the air or faces in the mud. What Llanelli need is one or two experienced props to hold and tire them out so that the young guns can then come on and we can play our sort of open game without being being penalised to relegation.
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Posted: 09 November 2021 at 2:06pm |
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
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ladram wrote:
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That’s fair not sure why the fringe scarkets are not released to the rfc no a game this week |
i've said this before but i think it would suit the scarlets for the rfc to go down as they would not have to use the facilities at the parc and they would still have the quins and drovers (who they favour with players) to feed them with players,as has been said very sad as if it wasn't for the history and heritage of the rfc the scarlets would not have been able to use that as a trump card for stand alone status. |
Surely Llanelli RFC (formed in 1872) became the Scarlets in 2003 (same players, same coaches, in the same competitions, etc.), and retained the history and heritage. The club currently called Llanelli RFC is a semi-pro club which was formed in 2003 with totally new players, new coaches, new competition, etc., and only has a history of 18 years. |
in theory its vice versa tbh |
How is it the opposite of what I said ?. |
because the region are the new entity founded in 2003 and the rfc are a continuation of llanelli , that’s the theory anyhow
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Whose theory ?. |
you clearly don’t want this to be the caseBut llamelli rfc is a continuation of the old rfc not a new start up, sorry if that upsets you but it’s the truth |
Uh ?. What are you on about. I don't "want" it to be the case, it's just my opinion of the situation, and it doesn't upset me. You have the opposite opinion, but just saying "it's the truth" doesn't make it so. I just didn't understand how somebody thought the Club of Huw Evans and Stuart Gallacher and Gareth Jenkins and Simon Easterby and many other internationals and full time professional rugby players playing in the Celtic League and Heineken Cup, is the same Club of Chris Rowe* and part time semi-pro teachers, plumbers and electricians training 2 evenings a week playing in a newly formed Welsh National semi-pro league, and finishing bottom of that league.
* I couldn't find who the coaches were for the Llanelli semi-pro team for the 2003/04 season.
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Posted: 09 November 2021 at 2:09pm |
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Scarlets Regional Limited was incorporated in 1997 is where the accounts have been posted every year since. Llanelli RFC Limited was incorporated in 2003.
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Posted: 09 November 2021 at 2:11pm |
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So one is llanelli rfc and one is the scarlets. The rfc is basically the old club and the region a new set up. But in reality we all know the region is just the old club under a diff name and the rfc is just the seni pro arm of the club |
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Posted: 09 November 2021 at 2:35pm |
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
ladram wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
That’s fair not sure why the fringe scarkets are not released to the rfc no a game this week |
i've said this before but i think it would suit the scarlets for the rfc to go down as they would not have to use the facilities at the parc and they would still have the quins and drovers (who they favour with players) to feed them with players,as has been said very sad as if it wasn't for the history and heritage of the rfc the scarlets would not have been able to use that as a trump card for stand alone status. |
Surely Llanelli RFC (formed in 1872) became the Scarlets in 2003 (same players, same coaches, in the same competitions, etc.), and retained the history and heritage. The club currently called Llanelli RFC is a semi-pro club which was formed in 2003 with totally new players, new coaches, new competition, etc., and only has a history of 18 years. |
in theory its vice versa tbh |
How is it the opposite of what I said ?. |
because the region are the new entity founded in 2003 and the rfc are a continuation of llanelli , that’s the theory anyhow
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Whose theory ?. |
you clearly don’t want this to be the caseBut llamelli rfc is a continuation of the old rfc not a new start up, sorry if that upsets you but it’s the truth |
Uh ?. What are you on about. I don't "want" it to be the case, it's just my opinion of the situation, and it doesn't upset me. You have the opposite opinion, but just saying "it's the truth" doesn't make it so. I just didn't understand how somebody thought the Club of Huw Evans and Stuart Gallacher and Gareth Jenkins and Simon Easterby and many other internationals and full time professional rugby players playing in the Celtic League and Heineken Cup, is the same Club of Chris Rowe* and part time semi-pro teachers, plumbers and electricians training 2 evenings a week playing in a newly formed Welsh National semi-pro league, and finishing bottom of that league.
* I couldn't find who the coaches were for the Llanelli semi-pro team for the 2003/04 season. |
as i said in theory the scarlets were a region created in 2003 when the game went regional, the rfc are still the rfc but they play in the welsh prem . They weren’t a new venture set up in 2003 unlike the regions, the reality is different and it’s all splitting hairs. I don’t we did finish bottom back then we had the likes pf shingler dan evans and others in the team. We made cup finals and were one of the stromger semi pro sides , we seemed to have better ties with the region back then. I don’t know why this seems to have changed in recent seasons tbh and i dont know why some regional fans seem to have a downer on the rfc and talk about them with such disdain
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Posted: 09 November 2021 at 2:37pm |
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
ladram wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
That’s fair not sure why the fringe scarkets are not released to the rfc no a game this week |
i've said this before but i think it would suit the scarlets for the rfc to go down as they would not have to use the facilities at the parc and they would still have the quins and drovers (who they favour with players) to feed them with players,as has been said very sad as if it wasn't for the history and heritage of the rfc the scarlets would not have been able to use that as a trump card for stand alone status. |
Surely Llanelli RFC (formed in 1872) became the Scarlets in 2003 (same players, same coaches, in the same competitions, etc.), and retained the history and heritage. The club currently called Llanelli RFC is a semi-pro club which was formed in 2003 with totally new players, new coaches, new competition, etc., and only has a history of 18 years. |
in theory its vice versa tbh |
How is it the opposite of what I said ?. |
because the region are the new entity founded in 2003 and the rfc are a continuation of llanelli , that’s the theory anyhow
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Whose theory ?. |
you clearly don’t want this to be the caseBut llamelli rfc is a continuation of the old rfc not a new start up, sorry if that upsets you but it’s the truth |
Uh ?. What are you on about. I don't "want" it to be the case, it's just my opinion of the situation, and it doesn't upset me. You have the opposite opinion, but just saying "it's the truth" doesn't make it so. I just didn't understand how somebody thought the Club of Huw Evans and Stuart Gallacher and Gareth Jenkins and Simon Easterby and many other internationals and full time professional rugby players playing in the Celtic League and Heineken Cup, is the same Club of Chris Rowe* and part time semi-pro teachers, plumbers and electricians training 2 evenings a week playing in a newly formed Welsh National semi-pro league, and finishing bottom of that league.
* I couldn't find who the coaches were for the Llanelli semi-pro team for the 2003/04 season. |
No the Scarlets are a continuation of the old Llanelli club side which beat the All Blacks and reached European semi-finals etc not the side that plays in the Welsh Premiership. That is a fact.
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Posted: 09 November 2021 at 2:39pm |
scarletnut wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
ladram wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
That’s fair not sure why the fringe scarkets are not released to the rfc no a game this week |
i've said this before but i think it would suit the scarlets for the rfc to go down as they would not have to use the facilities at the parc and they would still have the quins and drovers (who they favour with players) to feed them with players,as has been said very sad as if it wasn't for the history and heritage of the rfc the scarlets would not have been able to use that as a trump card for stand alone status. |
Surely Llanelli RFC (formed in 1872) became the Scarlets in 2003 (same players, same coaches, in the same competitions, etc.), and retained the history and heritage. The club currently called Llanelli RFC is a semi-pro club which was formed in 2003 with totally new players, new coaches, new competition, etc., and only has a history of 18 years. |
in theory its vice versa tbh |
How is it the opposite of what I said ?. |
because the region are the new entity founded in 2003 and the rfc are a continuation of llanelli , that’s the theory anyhow
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Whose theory ?. |
you clearly don’t want this to be the caseBut llamelli rfc is a continuation of the old rfc not a new start up, sorry if that upsets you but it’s the truth |
Uh ?. What are you on about. I don't "want" it to be the case, it's just my opinion of the situation, and it doesn't upset me. You have the opposite opinion, but just saying "it's the truth" doesn't make it so. I just didn't understand how somebody thought the Club of Huw Evans and Stuart Gallacher and Gareth Jenkins and Simon Easterby and many other internationals and full time professional rugby players playing in the Celtic League and Heineken Cup, is the same Club of Chris Rowe* and part time semi-pro teachers, plumbers and electricians training 2 evenings a week playing in a newly formed Welsh National semi-pro league, and finishing bottom of that league.
* I couldn't find who the coaches were for the Llanelli semi-pro team for the 2003/04 season. |
No the Scarlets are a continuation of the old Llanelli club side which beat the All Blacks and reached European semi-finals etc not the side that plays in the Welsh Premiership. That is a fact. |
why aren’t they called llanelli rfc then? In theory we became a region in 2003 and the rfc reamined as it was but as a semi pro side , not sure why people get so annoyed and so defensive over that, it’s all semantics. We all know how it works in reality
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Posted: 09 November 2021 at 2:41pm |
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Dai Guevara wrote:
Graham Price, in today's Western Mail commenting on Wales' scrum problems,lamenting the lack of coaching emphasis on this aspect of the game,and how different it was under Ray Prosser in the days of the Pontypool front row. They were prepared for any eventuality (cheating?) and knew exactly where their feet, body angles should be to counter the opposition. Also, how important the contribution of the back five forwards was to them. He does say that front-row forwards develop late and that it would benefit many to do a longer apprenticeship in the Premiership. It would certainly benefit LLanelli rfc if this was taken seriously, with, an experienced prop or two to help ease the development props into the game. In the most recent Llanelli game that I witnessed, away to Aberavon, we were thrashed when experienced (and not very athletic) Aberavon props continuously and embarrassingly destroyed our scrum. We are probably trying to develop a modern, mobile front row to excel in the loose, but what use is that if the rules of the game mean that they can be mangled in the set pieces and continually pushed backward with penalties? |
worked for wyn jones |
That's a bit of a misnomer though. Wyn didn't go straight from playing for Llandovery into the Wales squad did he. It took a lot of hard work from the Scarlets behind the scenes to get him up to professional standard.
I watch a lot of Welsh Premiership and it's not really up to standard if it's purpose is to develop professional players. The gap needs to be bridged with A sides playing regularly.
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Posted: 09 November 2021 at 2:45pm |
scarletnut wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
Dai Guevara wrote:
Graham Price, in today's Western Mail commenting on Wales' scrum problems,lamenting the lack of coaching emphasis on this aspect of the game,and how different it was under Ray Prosser in the days of the Pontypool front row. They were prepared for any eventuality (cheating?) and knew exactly where their feet, body angles should be to counter the opposition. Also, how important the contribution of the back five forwards was to them. He does say that front-row forwards develop late and that it would benefit many to do a longer apprenticeship in the Premiership. It would certainly benefit LLanelli rfc if this was taken seriously, with, an experienced prop or two to help ease the development props into the game. In the most recent Llanelli game that I witnessed, away to Aberavon, we were thrashed when experienced (and not very athletic) Aberavon props continuously and embarrassingly destroyed our scrum. We are probably trying to develop a modern, mobile front row to excel in the loose, but what use is that if the rules of the game mean that they can be mangled in the set pieces and continually pushed backward with penalties? |
worked for wyn jones |
That's a bit of a misnomer though. Wyn didn't go straight from playing for Llandovery into the Wales squad did he. It took a lot of hard work from the Scarlets behind the scenes to get him up to professional standard.
I watch a lot of Welsh Premiership and it's not really up to standard if it's purpose is to develop professional players. The gap needs to be bridged with A sides playing regularly. |
in fairness he was hardly going to walk into test rugby from the welsh prem was he? yeah we saw how well that a competiton worked a while back the rugby was dreadful and no one bothered to watch it. If more regional players played in the prem it would improve instead of being sat in the stands of a weekend. Untill you get a proper anglo welsh league set up then an a leauge won’t work. If that is set up then i agree go forward with that model untill then get the boys playing!
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Posted: 11 November 2021 at 8:20pm |
TurkQuay wrote:
ladram wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
That’s fair not sure why the fringe scarkets are not released to the rfc no a game this week |
i've said this before but i think it would suit the scarlets for the rfc to go down as they would not have to use the facilities at the parc and they would still have the quins and drovers (who they favour with players) to feed them with players,as has been said very sad as if it wasn't for the history and heritage of the rfc the scarlets would not have been able to use that as a trump card for stand alone status. |
Surely Llanelli RFC (formed in 1872) became the Scarlets in 2003 (same players, same coaches, in the same competitions, etc.), and retained the history and heritage. The club currently called Llanelli RFC is a semi-pro club which was formed in 2003 with totally new players, new coaches, new competition, etc., and only has a history of 18 years. |
Yep. The current RFC team was basically a continuation of the pre-2003 “U21” side - The inverted commas are because everyone was allowed to select 5 players older than 21. We should’ve rebranded it as Llanelli Athletic or Llanelli United from the start to clear up the confusion.
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Posted: 12 November 2021 at 10:19am |
Mugwuffin wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
ladram wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
That’s fair not sure why the fringe scarkets are not released to the rfc no a game this week |
i've said this before but i think it would suit the scarlets for the rfc to go down as they would not have to use the facilities at the parc and they would still have the quins and drovers (who they favour with players) to feed them with players,as has been said very sad as if it wasn't for the history and heritage of the rfc the scarlets would not have been able to use that as a trump card for stand alone status. |
Surely Llanelli RFC (formed in 1872) became the Scarlets in 2003 (same players, same coaches, in the same competitions, etc.), and retained the history and heritage. The club currently called Llanelli RFC is a semi-pro club which was formed in 2003 with totally new players, new coaches, new competition, etc., and only has a history of 18 years. |
Yep. The current RFC team was basically a continuation of the pre-2003 “U21” side - The inverted commas are because everyone was allowed to select 5 players older than 21. We should’ve rebranded it as Llanelli Athletic or Llanelli United from the start to clear up the confusion. |
I think the point is more that the RFC is owned by the Scarlets and plays in the Premiership. Also what is the point of the club for the owners if it lacks investment certainty up front and that the team gets badly defeated on a regular basis? Seems so unfair on the young players and fans. Played 7 and lost 7 this season. Come on Scarlets - where is the pride in your club .
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Posted: 12 November 2021 at 10:22am |
Mugwuffin wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
ladram wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
That’s fair not sure why the fringe scarkets are not released to the rfc no a game this week |
i've said this before but i think it would suit the scarlets for the rfc to go down as they would not have to use the facilities at the parc and they would still have the quins and drovers (who they favour with players) to feed them with players,as has been said very sad as if it wasn't for the history and heritage of the rfc the scarlets would not have been able to use that as a trump card for stand alone status. |
Surely Llanelli RFC (formed in 1872) became the Scarlets in 2003 (same players, same coaches, in the same competitions, etc.), and retained the history and heritage. The club currently called Llanelli RFC is a semi-pro club which was formed in 2003 with totally new players, new coaches, new competition, etc., and only has a history of 18 years. |
Yep. The current RFC team was basically a continuation of the pre-2003 “U21” side - The inverted commas are because everyone was allowed to select 5 players older than 21. We should’ve rebranded it as Llanelli Athletic or Llanelli United from the start to clear up the confusion. |
was the over 21 rule actually put in place? It certainly isn’t now
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Posted: 12 November 2021 at 10:24am |
reesytheexile wrote:
Mugwuffin wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
ladram wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
That’s fair not sure why the fringe scarkets are not released to the rfc no a game this week |
i've said this before but i think it would suit the scarlets for the rfc to go down as they would not have to use the facilities at the parc and they would still have the quins and drovers (who they favour with players) to feed them with players,as has been said very sad as if it wasn't for the history and heritage of the rfc the scarlets would not have been able to use that as a trump card for stand alone status. |
Surely Llanelli RFC (formed in 1872) became the Scarlets in 2003 (same players, same coaches, in the same competitions, etc.), and retained the history and heritage. The club currently called Llanelli RFC is a semi-pro club which was formed in 2003 with totally new players, new coaches, new competition, etc., and only has a history of 18 years. |
Yep. The current RFC team was basically a continuation of the pre-2003 “U21” side - The inverted commas are because everyone was allowed to select 5 players older than 21. We should’ve rebranded it as Llanelli Athletic or Llanelli United from the start to clear up the confusion. |
I think the point is more that the RFC is owned by the Scarlets and plays in the Premiership. Also what is the point of the club for the owners if it lacks investment certainty up front and that the team gets badly defeated on a regular basis? Seems so unfair on the young players and fans. Played 7 and lost 7 this season. Come on Scarlets - where is the pride in your club . |
spot on ive seen the rfc twice this year good young backs but just can’t get any ball.
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Posted: 12 November 2021 at 3:58pm |
RR1972 wrote:
TurkQuay wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
you clearly don’t want this to be the caseBut llamelli rfc is a continuation of the old rfc not a new start up, sorry if that upsets you but it’s the truth |
Uh ?. What are you on about. I don't "want" it to be the case, it's just my opinion of the situation, and it doesn't upset me. You have the opposite opinion, but just saying "it's the truth" doesn't make it so. I just didn't understand how somebody thought the Club of Huw Evans and Stuart Gallacher and Gareth Jenkins and Simon Easterby and many other internationals and full time professional rugby players playing in the Celtic League and Heineken Cup, is the same Club of Chris Rowe* and part time semi-pro teachers, plumbers and electricians training 2 evenings a week playing in a newly formed Welsh National semi-pro league, and finishing bottom of that league.
* I couldn't find who the coaches were for the Llanelli semi-pro team for the 2003/04 season. |
as i said in theory the scarlets were a region created in 2003 when the game went regional, the rfc are still the rfc but they play in the welsh prem . They weren’t a new venture set up in 2003 unlike the regions, the reality is different and it’s all splitting hairs. I don’t we did finish bottom back then we had the likes pf shingler dan evans and others in the team. We made cup finals and were one of the stromger semi pro sides , we seemed to have better ties with the region back then. I don’t know why this seems to have changed in recent seasons tbh and i dont know why some regional fans seem to have a downer on the rfc and talk about them with such disdain |
The RFC are not still the
RFC. They are a new venture. You’ve been told that Llanelli RFC Ltd were set up
in 2003. And I don’t understand how you can say they are the same and then say
the reality is different. You’re contradicting yourself. And we’re not
splitting hairs, we’ve got totally opposite opinions. And, as I said before, I do
not understand how somebody can think that a Club of Huw Evans, Stuart
Gallacher, Gareth Jenkins, and Simon Easterby and many other internationals and
full time professional rugby players playing in the Celtic League and Heineken
Cup, is the same as a Club with a new President, a new Chairman, a new Coach (Kevin
Williams), a new captain (Chris Rowe) and part time semi-pro teachers, plumbers
and electricians etc training 2 evenings a week playing in a newly formed Welsh
semi-pro league and konica cup.
I read that we were bottom
from a BBC article on Newport winning the League that year – “The
relegation issue remains muddled, as there is still some doubt whether any club
will be demoted as the Premiership could be expanded. Llanelli are bottom with
26 points, two points behind Pontypool who lost at home to Newbridge”. Aaron Shingker didn’t play for Llanelli until
2008 (Steve Shingler didn’t play until 2009), and Dan Evans didn’t play until
2006. I haven’t got a downer on the RFC and I don’t have any disdain for them.
I wish them every success and all the very best and I think it’s very sad that
we’ve lost every premiership game this season. I wish that we would use them
more to give squad players game time and to develop youngsters, but it seems
that the last three coaches don’t think the premiership is of a high enough
standard.
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