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lofty evans ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 September 2007 Location: Gorseinon Status: Offline Points: 53174 |
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Gutted they got caught....sorry is not in their vocabulary
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
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Legendinmybathroom ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 May 2017 Location: Burry Port Status: Offline Points: 3011 |
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Can anyone explain to me why Zahawi wrote the resignation letter. - I thought he was allegedly sacked by Sunak.
It sound like he jumped but the Tory party are suggesting that Sunak had grown a pair (finally) and sacked him. The fact that he is still in denial that he had done anything wrong and that he’s blaming everyone else (press mostly) for his downfall just sums up how corrupt he is. However, this could be blessing in disguise for him - he is now free to earn yet more money off the back of his notoriety, within the corporate business scene -far more than his measly MPs salary would give him. If he only had one stream of income (MPs salary, which is considerably more than the national average) then this incident wouldn’t have happened, but Tory greed shines through again. They reckon that a majority of the Tory party are millionaires, so you have to ask why they need to take on the responsibility of representing constituents for literally peanuts (to them) unless the only true reason is to use the power and prestige to get themselves known and to build their reputation within the corporate business world.
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lofty evans ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 September 2007 Location: Gorseinon Status: Offline Points: 53174 |
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Excellent post
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
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scarletpimp ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 22 November 2015 Location: llanelli Status: Offline Points: 2299 |
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His letter, was a "sham", like the man himself.
It's remarkable how these people can worm their way into positions of authority, that they shouldn't be near in the next world, leave alone this one. Look at the list..Johnson, Braverman, Hancock, and now this idiot Zahawi! Just throw in Liz Truss for sheer incompetence, and you have the "famous five".
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I stood yer on tanner bank
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I think it's convention. They're asked to resign and by convention they offer that via a letter. In effect they've been sacked.
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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James O'Brian on LBC tomorrow morning will be interesting ...
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Sir Duckling Tuft ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 27 May 2012 Location: wales Status: Offline Points: 748 |
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Meanwhile in llanelli labour spend millions on a bike bridge no one asked for, thats caused chaos and blockages in trostre for nigh on a year
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sir duckling tuft
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Is it for cyclists? Cool. I look forward to using it. Can use it to avoid Trostre roundabout.
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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We need a shock to Welsh labours senses , vote plaid , if nothing more than to put some fireworks under their arses
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Legendinmybathroom ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 May 2017 Location: Burry Port Status: Offline Points: 3011 |
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That’s where convention is sometimes wrong (especially in public office). So by allowing him to write a resignation letter you are allowing him (and he’s not the only one) to walk away and save face, despite bringing the role of whichever cabinet position he’s in at the time into disrepute despite committing an offence which would probably have seen a business person of a less higher profile jailed and not just fined.
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Totally agree. The so called constitution of the UK is entirely not fit for purpose. The UK is and always has been a class based state and it is rigged in favour of the wealthy. If you want to know why Wales, the west and north of England are beset by poverty, it's because it suited the wealthy class to disinvest from industry and focus instead on financial services, just as at one time, it suited the capitalists of the day to employ workers in brutal conditions to their benefit. Not much has changed in the dynamic between Britain's classes except that workers gained concessions through the unions and through them, a Labour Party to represent them. Sadly, the State is still so heavily rigged that in order to gain power, Labour are forced into small-c conservativism in order to be electable. IMHO they've not achieved any real permanent change in the UK. Every Labour reform, every construct is eroded and unpicked by the Tories. We're in danger of losing the NHS now. The greatest of all the Labour govts (1945) will soon have no remaining legacy - that is how the UK operates. Anything worthwhile is washed away like castles made of sand (Beautiful Hendrix song btw). This is why, whenever I hear the British Left (speaking as a Liberal Lefty) use the word "radical", I laugh out loud. Only ever a matter of time untill the Tories get in power and bin Labour's changes. This is a State rigged in the Tories favour. They've been in power for 90 out of the past 120 years. Wales has not once elected these b ![]() Sorry Legend - not aimed at you. Just me ranting in frustration.
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GPR - Rochester ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Offline Points: 17918 |
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The reality is nothing will change until the Labour party are brave enough to introduce PR which will include both parliament & cabinet made up along PR rules. A natural check and balance could then be introduced to our politics. That has to be the start.
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 13259 |
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Oh no, not PR because then a small group of political extremists could wield disproportionate power. Will be what the DM, Express say.
If Labour were to campaign on electoral reform - and abolishing the HoL is at least one small step to this - I do wonder just how successful this would be at present. I say this because another part of our current situation is that: 1) voting percentage rise with age and so the issues parties campaign on are therefore targeted accordingly. 2) there is a tribal nature which I will speculate also increases with age and it is pretty clear the Conservatives gain the majority of their votes from the 60+ category. 3) And then the population of the UK is aging as life expectancy increases, at a greater level for higher income groups. There are, however, indications that current 30s/40s are not drifting right to the Conservatives. After what I have witnessed in the last 13 years it is simply impossible that I will ever vote for them. Many feel similar. This trend is newer and may mean the Conservative party is in deep trouble in 10 or 20 years time. There is an inherent age generalisation within my post, I know (and do apologise for but we are taking majority here), but you can examine the data and things such as voting percentage and particularly Conservative vote do indeed increase with age across the UK. Take this as a quick 2019 example (plus another quid to Zahari's company): I also put forward that the UK, current parties, political system, population distribution, class system whatever you wish to nominate, is currently unsuited to any forward-looking reform-based government. And, if so, this is why the decline of the UK appears unsolvable in the near future. And I include a new Labour Government in that. Even with a majority, I just am not sure they will be able to get much done, nor will be elected on any pledge to get much done. We've seen Starmer back out of PR already, for example. It's perceived as too high-risk, for reasons I suggest above.
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GPR - Rochester ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Offline Points: 17918 |
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Of course the age differential is an important factor but we cannot get away from the fact that PR is clearly the most democratic answer. My own feeling is that voter turnout is clearly lowered under the existing system where "safe" seats of either main parties are deemed uncontestable. That should change with PR and we should end up getting a far more balanced political establishment voted in by a a larger % of those entitled to vote.
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Kentexile ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 August 2013 Location: Kent Status: Offline Points: 521 |
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If you get under the stats of voter turnout then it has been increasing in Wales and Scotland over the last decade particularly for local/national elections which tends to be masked by reports focusing on Uk statics .
Agree first past the post should have has had its day . Think the Uk and USA are the only major democracies left where a party can get control with a minority share of the overall vote.
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scarletpimp ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 22 November 2015 Location: llanelli Status: Offline Points: 2299 |
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I was never convinced by PR, but would be prepared to give it a good hard look.I have read a lot of what Totallybiasedscarlet has posted on here, and quit liked what I read.
I will be honest and pragmatic here, apart from doing what's right for democracy, I would support anything that prevents the Tories winning. Regarding Plaid Cymru, they are in an absolute mess. How can they lecture any else when their own internal governance is a shambles. The "Edwards scenario" in Carmarthen East,is just one example. My friends in Plaid tell me that a challenge to Adam Price is imminently possible, but the current political situation nationally ,holding that off. It's clear to me we need a strong Plaid to be wining seats where they are best placed to beat Tories.
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I stood yer on tanner bank
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