Next Conservative leader

I couldn’t agree more, she is a worse option for the country than Boris Johnson (I can’t believe that we are saying that).

roy munster wrote: Legendinmybathroom wrote: So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems). She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis. Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?

roy munster wrote: SA14 wrote: roy munster wrote: Legendinmybathroom wrote: So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems). She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis. Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?   Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers.  Which is as you know 100% owned by bt

salmidach wrote: SA14 wrote: roy munster wrote: SA14 wrote: roy munster wrote: Legendinmybathroom wrote: So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems). She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis. Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?   Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers.  Which is as you know 100% owned by bt  So it would be better for many different companies to maintain the U.K. fibre network. Can you imagine the logistical chaos.  the issue isn't the ownership of the network. it's the fact that suppliers have to rely on openreach to fix problems and they are poo. Also for suppliers to actually get their kit into exchanges, they have to jump through so many hoops.

During lockdowns I was starting to think there's a substantial section of the Conservative party who actively hate the majority of people in the UK and see them as expendable (e.g. "let the bodies pile high"). Now, I am almost certain they do with Truss's views on UK workers' lack of graft (also infamously within Britannia Unchained she co-authored where "Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world"*) and Sunak saying we should be "much tougher on our welfare system to get people off benefits and into work", despite of course Johnson boasting about record unemployment and that there are many reasons people may be on benefits, e.g. health, not to mention jobs not being where the people are, or lack of skills required etc. 

It's truly awful ladram and I'm sorry to hear that. I just don't understand why there aren't riots yet over this, or the almost total lack of recognition on climate change, which also hasn't been a factor at all for either candidate. The public seem to have just accepted both and are not demanding solutions. I know the increased cost of living has been big, but this then turns into their tax policies towards business. I.e. nothing that directly impacts.

RR1972 wrote: The nhs is in a mess in wales england and scotland. 3 nations whose health care is under 3 diff political parties. You can point out the funding comes from westminster but there clearly issues of mis management by all 3 governments.   I think the torys are useless but let’s be honest welsh labour and the snp are no better

SA14 wrote: RR1972 wrote: The nhs is in a mess in wales england and scotland. 3 nations whose health care is under 3 diff political parties. You can point out the funding comes from westminster but there clearly issues of mis management by all 3 governments.   I think the torys are useless but let’s be honest welsh labour and the snp are no better The NHS deserve pay rises not the ones striking now.

Edited by Jones2004 - 18 August 2022 at 5:11pm