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London Scarlet
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Posted: 24 September 2021 at 5:38pm |
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Interesting to read the power rankings based on last 12 months of Pro14 games (https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/news/introducing-the-urcs-expected-points-xp-player-ratings)
This statistical analysis will start again this season. In the forwards, the only Scarlet who makes the top ten in any position is Blade Thomson at number #9 for position 8. The backs fare a bit better Dane Blacker #2 Sam Costelow #7 Johnny Williams #4 Ryan Conbeer #5 and Tom Rogers #7 Leigh Halfpenny #5 and Johnny McNicholl #8
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SA14
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It’s a load of nonsense as far as I can see.
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157cb
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Rubbish as Sione would be near the top.
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London Scarlet
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Lies, damned lies, and statistics?
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SA14
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84.5% of stats are made up.
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Mrfwon
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Like Top Trumps those ratings
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Scarlets!!!
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dyniol53
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I think these are pretty good. Obviously there will be outliers that will be somewhat lucky who end up having great xP but generally I think we’ll find it shows who the underrated and most consistent players are in each side.
I remember reading that Pivac dropped Steff Evans because he got turned over the most in possession, even tho he was a record try scorer, and stuff like xP might help us realise that sooner.
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jimmywilde
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Load of rubbish.
Baseless. Totally misleading. Unless of course a Scarlet happens to be top in which case these are valid statistics based on scientific fact that cannot be questioned.
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Gate12
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Danny care was saying on the rugby union weekly podcast that England and Leicester already use this for decisions around selection and subs.
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SA14
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Surely not.
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London Scarlet
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https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/analysis-opinion/power-rankings-top-10-under-23s
Costelow, Conbeer and Rogers in the top 10 under 23 players. No idea how you find these stats apart from in odd articles here and there!
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aber-fan
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It's an interesting development... like all these things, it's an imperfect tool but gives some sort of measure - and TBF the methodology is explained. It'll probably be tweaked as time goes on.
It sounds like a rugby version of 'Moneyball', which has had some influence in other sports... and for a relatively poor region such as the Scarlets, could point the way to undervalued players we could afford to sign. Personal judgement from the coaches is still important as well, though! |
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EJPT
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Yeah its like a pro football focus grade for those into the NFL. Very debatable but the more metrics and stuff brought into rugby the better to be honest.
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Sosban89
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Rugby has always been terrible for stats. Wiki pages don't get updated, so for someone who is interested in the sport but doesn't know much, there is zero data to look at when trying to see what a player is like. Obviously a stat doesn't tell you everything, but it's very useful and interesting to most.
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London Scarlet
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Yeah metres made can be skewed by a player who spends the whole game running back high balls rather than making gains in the opposition half. I definitely think it has some merits though, just wish I could find the stats to look at!
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Grammar School Boy
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Not sure if correct thread but the Ospreys home loss to the Sharks was a bonus
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