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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 9:40pm |
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roy munster wrote:
Once a monkey wrote:
I think the Germans are in charge for the following reason:
1. Their country isn't in recession
2. They have put more money into the EU than any other country
3. They have the biggest economy in Europe
4. They have bailed out most of the more financially challenged countries now bordering on the extinct list
5. They successfully absorbed East Germany, which was no mean feet in itself
6. Everything actually works in Germany, or does so far better than it does elsewhere
Who would you propose was in charge Roy? |
let germany be in charge of germany theyre doing very well with that
the problem comes when you have 1 rule for 25+ countries. not to mention a zillion extra laws.
this one size fits all is the death knell for sovereignty and individuality |
WE DONT HAVE SOVEREIGNTY .....We are wales and have been told what to do by thuse westminster tossers for years......i expected better off you
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we have more influence in westminster than in europe
we have our own assembly so we are able to control some of our own policies and laws
to pass it to brussels will see us lose our autonomy over our own country and our own economy
Where do you think the opinions and needs of tiny countries like ours will sit in the eurozone lists of priorities? will it make the top 1000?
I say lets make better use of the system we have in a united UK and a free trading europe. no one is the enemy but its absolutely vital we keep our sovereignty as a british nation and as Wales too
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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 9:46pm |
Once a monkey wrote:
roy munster wrote:
Once a monkey wrote:
I think the Germans are in charge for the following reason:
1. Their country isn't in recession
2. They have put more money into the EU than any other country
3. They have the biggest economy in Europe
4. They have bailed out most of the more financially challenged countries now bordering on the extinct list
5. They successfully absorbed East Germany, which was no mean feet in itself
6. Everything actually works in Germany, or does so far better than it does elsewhere
Who would you propose was in charge Roy? |
let germany be in charge of germany theyre doing very well with that
the problem comes when you have 1 rule for 25+ countries. not to mention a zillion extra laws.
this one size fits all is the death knell for sovereignty and individuality |
You seem to be spectacularly missing the point Roy. These other countries want, need, to be led. These other countries ignored the option of a two speed Europe, and accepted the Eurozone, the Euro and everything that came with it. These other countries went into the Euro with open eyes, and accepted the benefits with open arms. Now, when it is starting the go wrong, mainly due to their own failure to regulate their internal markets mind, they ask for more assistance from Germany and France, and have the temerity, in some cases, to bite the hand that feeds them. Greece is a case in point.
The strong always lead the weak, that is the way of the world. And the truth is, unless you have some anti-German agenda, that you would have to be a fool not to realise that Germany should and will lead.
And how in god's name are they giving up their sovereignty btw? |
we are not greece we are the 7th richest nation in the world. weve never got cap in hand to the euro countries.
yes we accept we had a boom for a decade or more then a huge bust. as in many wealthy nations. so what because of one collapse we hand over all autonomy all control all sovereignty for the rest of time on planet earth? not an over reaction that?
BUT european nations under the blanket of the unelected unaccountable unaffordable unaccounted eurozone has stayed in recession longer than any other econmies. american grew 2.8% last year. china grew a mere 8.9% why did these euro dicators rush in so many poor euro countries? utter madness. they must be held accountable too
the fact greece is 50%+ state employed highlights what a fiasco rampant socialism can be. yet thats exactly what the ever expanding eurozone is heading towards.
if you think the british economy is unmanageable now, imagine when all economic decisions are being made in brussels for all 27 nations and more? this is utter lunacy that fail utterly.
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Posted: 02 February 2012 at 12:31pm |
roy munster wrote:
Once a monkey wrote:
roy munster wrote:
Once a monkey wrote:
I think the Germans are in charge for the following reason:
1. Their country isn't in recession
2. They have put more money into the EU than any other country
3. They have the biggest economy in Europe
4. They have bailed out most of the more financially challenged countries now bordering on the extinct list
5. They successfully absorbed East Germany, which was no mean feet in itself
6. Everything actually works in Germany, or does so far better than it does elsewhere
Who would you propose was in charge Roy? |
let germany be in charge of germany theyre doing very well with that
the problem comes when you have 1 rule for 25+ countries. not to mention a zillion extra laws.
this one size fits all is the death knell for sovereignty and individuality |
You seem to be spectacularly missing the point Roy. These other countries want, need, to be led. These other countries ignored the option of a two speed Europe, and accepted the Eurozone, the Euro and everything that came with it. These other countries went into the Euro with open eyes, and accepted the benefits with open arms. Now, when it is starting the go wrong, mainly due to their own failure to regulate their internal markets mind, they ask for more assistance from Germany and France, and have the temerity, in some cases, to bite the hand that feeds them. Greece is a case in point.
The strong always lead the weak, that is the way of the world. And the truth is, unless you have some anti-German agenda, that you would have to be a fool not to realise that Germany should and will lead.
And how in god's name are they giving up their sovereignty btw? |
we are not greece we are the 7th richest nation in the world. weve never got cap in hand to the euro countries.
yes we accept we had a boom for a decade or more then a huge bust. as in many wealthy nations. so what because of one collapse we hand over all autonomy all control all sovereignty for the rest of time on planet earth? not an over reaction that?
BUT european nations under the blanket of the unelected unaccountable unaffordable unaccounted eurozone has stayed in recession longer than any other econmies. american grew 2.8% last year. china grew a mere 8.9% why did these euro dicators rush in so many poor euro countries? utter madness. they must be held accountable too
the fact greece is 50%+ state employed highlights what a fiasco rampant socialism can be. yet thats exactly what the ever expanding eurozone is heading towards.
if you think the british economy is unmanageable now, imagine when all economic decisions are being made in brussels for all 27 nations and more? this is utter lunacy that fail utterly. |
Roy, hang on a second. Your initial rant was bout the leadership of the EU by the Germans and French. Having established that the former are probably best placed to lead, you now go off on a rant about the merits of the EU in general.
Anyway, regarding the bold bit, do you want to qualify that comment with facts.
I'm not even going to comment on the unelected and unaccountable bits they are that silly.
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Posted: 02 February 2012 at 6:13pm |
If you want to do pedantry or mockery firstly theres an a in about  But I'd rather rise about that predictable nonsense. Theres always youtube for that
As for the part in bold, if we hand over our currency, and disband the UK, what is left? but a euro dictatorship? not for the next decade but forever...how exactly would that ever be reversed? How would little old Wales pipe up in years ahead and say , oh this isnt working for us, oh we have no control over our own economic destiny? As for your predictably facetious point about, how is the euro leadership connected to the eurozone? Please join the dots.
Its all part of the same problem. Unelected frenchman dictating to 25 nations, unlected german chancellor dictating to 25 nations...replacing governments with unelected governments? Is that democratic? one size fits all mass of rules regulations and endless laws all tied to the biggest constitution in living memory. A constitution so litigious that none of the leaders claim to have actually read the whole thing (Let alone understand it)
We need to trade with europe, we need to keep healthy relations, but we are right to stand apart, especially in terms of the currency and where their endless new regulations damage our national interests. I would also add the European leaders have spent more time hammering smaller medium businesses than the huge ones. why?
I think you will find the bizarre dictating of economic policy by these 2 leaders to 25 nations is part of the whole bizarre expensive unaccountable unelected mess of the Eurozone as a whole.
Why are european nations taking so much longer to emerge from recession than the rest of the western world? Ask businessmen and business leaders their opinions on the ever expanding eurozone and how this expansion has affected their businesses.
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Posted: 02 February 2012 at 10:45pm |
roy munster wrote:
If you want to do pedantry or mockery firstly theres an a in about But I'd rather rise about that predictable nonsense. Theres always youtube for that
As for the part in bold, if we hand over our currency, and disband the UK, what is left? but a euro dictatorship? not for the next decade but forever...how exactly would that ever be reversed? How would little old Wales pipe up in years ahead and say , oh this isnt working for us, oh we have no control over our own economic destiny? As for your predictably facetious point about, how is the euro leadership connected to the eurozone? Please join the dots.
Its all part of the same problem. Unelected frenchman dictating to 25 nations, unlected german chancellor dictating to 25 nations...replacing governments with unelected governments? Is that democratic? one size fits all mass of rules regulations and endless laws all tied to the biggest constitution in living memory. A constitution so litigious that none of the leaders claim to have actually read the whole thing (Let alone understand it)
We need to trade with europe, we need to keep healthy relations, but we are right to stand apart, especially in terms of the currency and where their endless new regulations damage our national interests. I would also add the European leaders have spent more time hammering smaller medium businesses than the huge ones. why?
I think you will find the bizarre dictating of economic policy by these 2 leaders to 25 nations is part of the whole bizarre expensive unaccountable unelected mess of the Eurozone as a whole.
Why are european nations taking so much longer to emerge from recession than the rest of the western world? Ask businessmen and business leaders their opinions on the ever expanding eurozone and how this expansion has affected their businesses.
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Are you rising above or about in that first para Roy? Iesu bach mun, school boy error after having been so pedantic The next bit is pure bollox. Hand over our currency? When did we agree that? Disband the UK? Nothing to do with Europe, the Jocks will decide that. FFS, do you have any facts here Roy, or are you just ranting like some religious zealot? Unelected governments? At this stage, I figured you were on a wind-up it was such bollox. I then read the last paragraph, and figured you were smoking something. The leaders of the hard hit countries of Europe did nothing to get themselves in bother did they? Btw, you failed to provide facts to the question in my previous post. What a suprise!
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Posted: 03 February 2012 at 2:03am |
Once a monkey wrote:
roy munster wrote:
If you want to do pedantry or mockery firstly theres an a in about But I'd rather rise about that predictable nonsense. Theres always youtube for that
As for the part in bold, if we hand over our currency, and disband the UK, what is left? but a euro dictatorship? not for the next decade but forever...how exactly would that ever be reversed? How would little old Wales pipe up in years ahead and say , oh this isnt working for us, oh we have no control over our own economic destiny? As for your predictably facetious point about, how is the euro leadership connected to the eurozone? Please join the dots.
Its all part of the same problem. Unelected frenchman dictating to 25 nations, unlected german chancellor dictating to 25 nations...replacing governments with unelected governments? Is that democratic? one size fits all mass of rules regulations and endless laws all tied to the biggest constitution in living memory. A constitution so litigious that none of the leaders claim to have actually read the whole thing (Let alone understand it)
We need to trade with europe, we need to keep healthy relations, but we are right to stand apart, especially in terms of the currency and where their endless new regulations damage our national interests. I would also add the European leaders have spent more time hammering smaller medium businesses than the huge ones. why?
I think you will find the bizarre dictating of economic policy by these 2 leaders to 25 nations is part of the whole bizarre expensive unaccountable unelected mess of the Eurozone as a whole.
Why are european nations taking so much longer to emerge from recession than the rest of the western world? Ask businessmen and business leaders their opinions on the ever expanding eurozone and how this expansion has affected their businesses.
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Are you rising above or about in that first para Roy? Iesu bach mun, school boy error after having been so pedantic
The next bit is pure bollox. Hand over our currency? When did we agree that? Disband the UK? Nothing to do with Europe, the Jocks will decide that. FFS, do you have any facts here Roy, or are you just ranting like some religious zealot?
Unelected governments? At this stage, I figured you were on a wind-up it was such bollox.
I then read the last paragraph, and figured you were smoking something. The leaders of the hard hit countries of Europe did nothing to get themselves in bother did they?
Btw, you failed to provide facts to the question in my previous post. What a suprise!
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Youve provided no facts no opinions ignored all the points and all the enormous debts and gone straight to swearing playing to the gallery and blwoing raspberries...r u an mep ?
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Posted: 03 February 2012 at 6:33am |
roy munster wrote:
Once a monkey wrote:
roy munster wrote:
If you want to do pedantry or mockery firstly theres an a in about But I'd rather rise about that predictable nonsense. Theres always youtube for that
As for the part in bold, if we hand over our currency, and disband the UK, what is left? but a euro dictatorship? not for the next decade but forever...how exactly would that ever be reversed? How would little old Wales pipe up in years ahead and say , oh this isnt working for us, oh we have no control over our own economic destiny? As for your predictably facetious point about, how is the euro leadership connected to the eurozone? Please join the dots.
Its all part of the same problem. Unelected frenchman dictating to 25 nations, unlected german chancellor dictating to 25 nations...replacing governments with unelected governments? Is that democratic? one size fits all mass of rules regulations and endless laws all tied to the biggest constitution in living memory. A constitution so litigious that none of the leaders claim to have actually read the whole thing (Let alone understand it)
We need to trade with europe, we need to keep healthy relations, but we are right to stand apart, especially in terms of the currency and where their endless new regulations damage our national interests. I would also add the European leaders have spent more time hammering smaller medium businesses than the huge ones. why?
I think you will find the bizarre dictating of economic policy by these 2 leaders to 25 nations is part of the whole bizarre expensive unaccountable unelected mess of the Eurozone as a whole.
Why are european nations taking so much longer to emerge from recession than the rest of the western world? Ask businessmen and business leaders their opinions on the ever expanding eurozone and how this expansion has affected their businesses.
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Are you rising above or about in that first para Roy? Iesu bach mun, school boy error after having been so pedantic
The next bit is pure bollox. Hand over our currency? When did we agree that? Disband the UK? Nothing to do with Europe, the Jocks will decide that. FFS, do you have any facts here Roy, or are you just ranting like some religious zealot?
Unelected governments? At this stage, I figured you were on a wind-up it was such bollox.
I then read the last paragraph, and figured you were smoking something. The leaders of the hard hit countries of Europe did nothing to get themselves in bother did they?
Btw, you failed to provide facts to the question in my previous post. What a suprise!
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Youve provided no facts no opinions ignored all the points and all the enormous debts and gone straight to swearing playing to the gallery and blwoing raspberries...r u an mep ? |
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Posted: 03 February 2012 at 7:55am |
roy munster wrote:
Once a monkey wrote:
roy munster wrote:
If you want to do pedantry or mockery firstly theres an a in about But I'd rather rise about that predictable nonsense. Theres always youtube for that
As for the part in bold, if we hand over our currency, and disband the UK, what is left? but a euro dictatorship? not for the next decade but forever...how exactly would that ever be reversed? How would little old Wales pipe up in years ahead and say , oh this isnt working for us, oh we have no control over our own economic destiny? As for your predictably facetious point about, how is the euro leadership connected to the eurozone? Please join the dots.
Its all part of the same problem. Unelected frenchman dictating to 25 nations, unlected german chancellor dictating to 25 nations...replacing governments with unelected governments? Is that democratic? one size fits all mass of rules regulations and endless laws all tied to the biggest constitution in living memory. A constitution so litigious that none of the leaders claim to have actually read the whole thing (Let alone understand it)
We need to trade with europe, we need to keep healthy relations, but we are right to stand apart, especially in terms of the currency and where their endless new regulations damage our national interests. I would also add the European leaders have spent more time hammering smaller medium businesses than the huge ones. why?
I think you will find the bizarre dictating of economic policy by these 2 leaders to 25 nations is part of the whole bizarre expensive unaccountable unelected mess of the Eurozone as a whole.
Why are european nations taking so much longer to emerge from recession than the rest of the western world? Ask businessmen and business leaders their opinions on the ever expanding eurozone and how this expansion has affected their businesses.
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Are you rising above or about in that first para Roy? Iesu bach mun, school boy error after having been so pedantic
The next bit is pure bollox. Hand over our currency? When did we agree that? Disband the UK? Nothing to do with Europe, the Jocks will decide that. FFS, do you have any facts here Roy, or are you just ranting like some religious zealot?
Unelected governments? At this stage, I figured you were on a wind-up it was such bollox.
I then read the last paragraph, and figured you were smoking something. The leaders of the hard hit countries of Europe did nothing to get themselves in bother did they?
Btw, you failed to provide facts to the question in my previous post. What a suprise!
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Youve provided no facts no opinions ignored all the points and all the enormous debts and gone straight to swearing playing to the gallery and blwoing raspberries...r u an mep ? |
Roy bach, I agree with Smelly, this is a meltdown of epic proportions mun. This is a thread about leadership of the EU, where you questioned the Germans right to lead. See my post with points 1-7 about Germany. Most of them are facts. My posts are my opininon, so that is two points you are therefore wrong on above. Rather than ignore your points, as you allege, I have questioned you regarding the assertions you have made. Why are the ernomous debts the faults of certain countries but not the member states themselves? Why should the stronger countries not lead? Why is our sovereignty at risk? When are we joining the single currency? Who are these unelected leaders of the member states? Come on mun, answer at least one of these points! Apologies for describing your comments as bollox, in truth very un-diplomatic. But, even on page 3 of this thread, and after being asked on more than one occasion to qualify your remarks, you continue to fail to do so. Fair play, at least you are consistent. 
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