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    Posted: 31 January 2012 at 10:37pm
Im not going to go all daily mail and start claiming its another german takeover, but its looking grim
These people just wont be stopped they wait for a member nation to go bust then hand them a referendum
 
have we woken up in the twilight zone here?
I thought the whole eurozone project was meant to reduce red tape and making cross border trading easier. not the opposite? 580 page constitution of laws?
 
so far the euro project has cost hundreds of billions, overseen umpteen bankrupt nations and multi trillion debts, with pretty much unelected officials in a centralized uber burocratic state that doesnt even file its accounts?
 
herman van rompoy is president of europe
christian wolfe is president of germany
francois fillen is prime minister of france
 
so why the heck are 25 european countries and economies being controlled and dictated to by a german chancellor and a frog dwaf whose country just lost his credit rating?Angry
 
exactly how far do these countries need to sink, before we rearrange the deckchairs on the eurozone titanic?
 
whilst we can point to the utter failure of the banking systems....that doesnt necessarily mean the massive centralised state control will be the lesser of 2 evils? every time theres any failure the euro leaders revel in it and use it as a tool to seize yet more power. not just for today but forever. thats the scary part
 
next up seduce the scots and hey presto theyll have broken up the UK which is surely the goal....give little nations the mirage of being free and independent...when nearly all the laws are made in europe and theyd control our interest rates and currency too etc etc etc
never mind we can still wave y dreigiau flag IF we wave the european one too
 
start learning the euro anthem guys....how does it go again?
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Sarkozy wont be in charge of his own country before long.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Im not going to go all daily mail and start claiming its another german takeover, but its looking grim
These people just wont be stopped they wait for a member nation to go bust then hand them a referendum
 
have we woken up in the twilight zone here?
I thought the whole eurozone project was meant to reduce red tape and making cross border trading easier. not the opposite? 580 page constitution of laws?
 
so far the euro project has cost hundreds of billions, overseen umpteen bankrupt nations and multi trillion debts, with pretty much unelected officials in a centralized uber burocratic state that doesnt even file its accounts?
 
herman van rompoy is president of europe
christian wolfe is president of germany
francois fillen is prime minister of france
 
so why the heck are 25 european countries and economies being controlled and dictated to by a german chancellor and a frog dwaf whose country just lost his credit rating?Angry
 
exactly how far do these countries need to sink, before we rearrange the deckchairs on the eurozone titanic?
 
whilst we can point to the utter failure of the banking systems....that doesnt necessarily mean the massive centralised state control will be the lesser of 2 evils? every time theres any failure the euro leaders revel in it and use it as a tool to seize yet more power. not just for today but forever. thats the scary part
 
next up seduce the scots and hey presto theyll have broken up the UK which is surely the goal....give little nations the mirage of being free and independent...when nearly all the laws are made in europe and theyd control our interest rates and currency too etc etc etc
never mind we can still wave y dreigiau flag IF we wave the european one too
 
start learning the euro anthem guys....how does it go again?
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Merkel is carrying on where Hitler left off,  Vee vill take over zee vorld
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I think the Germans are in charge for the following reason:
 
1. Their country isn't in recession
2. They have put more money into the EU than any other country
3. They have the biggest economy in Europe
4. They have bailed out most of the more financially challenged countries now bordering on the extinct list
5. They successfully absorbed East Germany, which was no mean feet in itself
6. Everything actually works in Germany, or does so far better than it does elsewhere
 
Who would you propose was in charge Roy?
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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

I think the Germans are in charge for the following reason:
 
1. Their country isn't in recession
2. They have put more money into the EU than any other country
3. They have the biggest economy in Europe
4. They have bailed out most of the more financially challenged countries now bordering on the extinct list
5. They successfully absorbed East Germany, which was no mean feet in itself
6. Everything actually works in Germany, or does so far better than it does elsewhere
 
Who would you propose was in charge Roy?


You're absolutely right.

I think the euro is/was a great idea in theory, and works for economies that aren't too different. Where problems arose, it is because weak economies (Greece/Spain/Italy/Ireland) were allowed to join before their economies were strong enough.

In the past, a weak economy could become more competitive (for exports and/or tourism) by devaluing their currency. This no longer works for eurozone countries, and they are now all tied to a value of the euro which is far too high for most of them (except Germany).
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They originally talked about a two-speed Europe, where the stronger economies would forge ahead with certain economic policies which suited them, whilst the remainder came along at their own pace. However, to show unity for the common cause, and in many cases not to feel they were being left behind, they decided to adopt a once size fits all policy. Thereafter, it was hoped that the stronger counrtries would pull the others along, depsite the fact that they didn't often have the infrastructure, economic stability or industrialisation to keep pace.
 
Hence where they now are.
 
Germany is an amazing country, best placed to lead. It is the greed of the other countries that got them in this mess, and they now survive because of the German taxpayers.
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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

They originally talked about a two-speed Europe, where the stronger economies would forge ahead with certain economic policies which suited them, whilst the remainder came along at their own pace. However, to show unity for the common cause, and in many cases not to feel they were being left behind, they decided to adopt a once size fits all policy. Thereafter, it was hoped that the stronger counrtries would pull the others along, depsite the fact that they didn't often have the infrastructure, economic stability or industrialisation to keep pace.
 
Hence where they now are.
 
Germany is an amazing country, best placed to lead. It is the greed of the other countries that got them in this mess, and they now survive because of the German taxpayers.


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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

I think the Germans are in charge for the following reason:
 
1. Their country isn't in recession
2. They have put more money into the EU than any other country
3. They have the biggest economy in Europe
4. They have bailed out most of the more financially challenged countries now bordering on the extinct list
5. They successfully absorbed East Germany, which was no mean feet in itself
6. Everything actually works in Germany, or does so far better than it does elsewhere
 
Who would you propose was in charge Roy?
let germany be in charge of germany theyre doing very well with that
the problem comes when you have 1 rule for 25+ countries. not to mention a zillion extra laws.
this one size fits all is the death knell for sovereignty and individuality
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

I think the Germans are in charge for the following reason:
 
1. Their country isn't in recession
2. They have put more money into the EU than any other country
3. They have the biggest economy in Europe
4. They have bailed out most of the more financially challenged countries now bordering on the extinct list
5. They successfully absorbed East Germany, which was no mean feet in itself
6. Everything actually works in Germany, or does so far better than it does elsewhere
 
Who would you propose was in charge Roy?
let germany be in charge of germany theyre doing very well with that
the problem comes when you have 1 rule for 25+ countries. not to mention a zillion extra laws.
this one size fits all is the death knell for sovereignty and individuality
 
You seem to be spectacularly missing the point Roy. These other countries want, need, to be led. These other countries ignored the option of a two speed Europe, and accepted the Eurozone, the Euro and everything that came with it. These other countries went into the Euro with open eyes, and accepted the benefits with open arms. Now, when it is starting the go wrong, mainly due to their own failure to regulate their internal markets mind, they ask for more assistance from Germany and France, and have the temerity, in some cases, to bite the hand that feeds them. Greece is a case in point. 
 
The strong always lead the weak, that is the way of the world. And the truth is, unless you have some anti-German agenda, that you would have to be a fool not to realise that Germany should and will lead.
 
And how in god's name are they giving up their sovereignty btw?
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

I think the Germans are in charge for the following reason:
 
1. Their country isn't in recession
2. They have put more money into the EU than any other country
3. They have the biggest economy in Europe
4. They have bailed out most of the more financially challenged countries now bordering on the extinct list
5. They successfully absorbed East Germany, which was no mean feet in itself
6. Everything actually works in Germany, or does so far better than it does elsewhere
 
Who would you propose was in charge Roy?
let germany be in charge of germany theyre doing very well with that
the problem comes when you have 1 rule for 25+ countries. not to mention a zillion extra laws.
this one size fits all is the death knell for sovereignty and individuality
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Don't think he's talking about us here Michael. switch on mun!
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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

Don't think he's talking about us here Michael. switch on mun!
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