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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the figures were 9202 for us 7518 for blues 7146 for ospreysand  5440 for dragons

whereas leinster were over 23000 average and munster over 19000


so depsite our growth , overall the weslh sides are way behond the top irish sides



FFS !!, there's over half a MILLION people live in dublin city and 1.8 MILLION live in greater dublin, and 1.2 MILLION that live in Munster !!!!

how many live in scarlets region ?????
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Originally posted by TonduTurk TonduTurk wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the figures were 9202 for us 7518 for blues 7146 for ospreysand  5440 for dragons

whereas leinster were over 23000 average and munster over 19000


so depsite our growth , overall the weslh sides are way behond the top irish sides



FFS !!, there's over half a MILLION people live in dublin city and 1.8 MILLION live in greater dublin, and 1.2 MILLION that live in Munster !!!!

how many live in scarlets region ?????
From the Carms CC figures, "the current population of Carmarthenshire is 180,717 according to the 2010 Mid-Year Estimate, with the population of Wales estimated at 3,006,430. Carmarthenshire has the fourth highest population out of the 22 local authorities within Wales and accounts for 6% of the total Welsh population."
 
Add 117,500 in Pembs,  78,000 in Ceredigion.  So Dyfed, a realistic travelling catchment area has a population of approx 375,000.
 
So 2 of the Irish regions have a popluation the same as Wales with just over 10% of that in Dyfed.  Comparing attendances for the 2 just doesn't add up.
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Originally posted by tannerbankboy tannerbankboy wrote:

Originally posted by TonduTurk TonduTurk wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the figures were 9202 for us 7518 for blues 7146 for ospreysand  5440 for dragons

whereas leinster were over 23000 average and munster over 19000


so depsite our growth , overall the weslh sides are way behond the top irish sides



FFS !!, there's over half a MILLION people live in dublin city and 1.8 MILLION live in greater dublin, and 1.2 MILLION that live in Munster !!!!

how many live in scarlets region ?????
From the Carms CC figures, "the current population of Carmarthenshire is 180,717 according to the 2010 Mid-Year Estimate, with the population of Wales estimated at 3,006,430. Carmarthenshire has the fourth highest population out of the 22 local authorities within Wales and accounts for 6% of the total Welsh population."
 
Add 117,500 in Pembs,  78,000 in Ceredigion.  So Dyfed, a realistic travelling catchment area has a population of approx 375,000.
 
So 2 of the Irish regions have a popluation the same as Wales with just over 10% of that in Dyfed.  Comparing attendances for the 2 just doesn't add up.
Of course it must be taken in context, we have much smaller populations. I would add that theres other places that fall under the scarlets regional umbrella in mid wales and even parts of north wales, though its a long way to travel on a one lane road. Dont forget though were stealing man a fan from across the loughor too. Its surprising how many scarlets fans travel from further afield. Ive met many a man from other counties, even other countries (England, Scotland, south africa to name but a few) who have travelled to watch the scarlets
 
These population factors makes it harder for us to build bigger crowds , we're also relatively newer to the regional concept that the Irish. so it takes time to wins the hearts and minds of new supporters.
 
So its harder for us. But that just means we have to work that much harder. being the plucky underdog is in the welsh dna. to say we should ambitiously target bigger crowds.
 
In Ireland theyre competiting with bigger sports such as hurling and gaelic football, whereas we have 2 big football sides as the main competition. Though the cardiff and swansea based sides never clash fixtures,scarlets dont really have alternative entertainment.
 
anothe radvantage we have is the 6 nations and the bbc coverage gives enormous exposure to welsh rugby. millions tune in to see the cream of welsh talent.
 
scarlets are a region now. so we need to embrace evermore the people throughout the region. But as posters point out, we especially need to reconnect with more people in the town itself.
 
 
 
 
 
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why get so het up that they didn't focus on our progress?it was a programme about the 4 regions.i don't know if anyone noticed the profit and loss chart where the one in red dived like a spitfire,if the lack of crowd numbers is the problem then surely a marketing budget should be of paramount importance,
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

why get so het up that they didn't focus on our progress?it was a programme about the 4 regions.i don't know if anyone noticed the profit and loss chart where the one in red dived like a spitfire,if the lack of crowd numbers is the problem then surely a marketing budget should be of paramount importance,

Yes , I did notice the red line which went down very quick and TBH was quite worrying in fact as (IIRC) the only other line that went down almost as quickly was the Ospreys, which only really dipped in the last few years of the figures.

It is pretty amateurish I thought that we don't have a marketing strategy or a budget in place to try and correct this issue.

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Roger Lewis was on Radio Wales a few minutes ago and Oliver Hides asked him if any region would be downgraded and he said that the participation agreement wouldn't allow for that.
He said that the opposite might be true when the "weakest" region could be given promising U23 players to support them.
He also said that draught schemes were "on the table" but was quite vague really.
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Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Roger Lewis was on Radio Wales a few minutes ago and Oliver Hides asked him if any region would be downgraded and he said that the participation agreement wouldn't allow for that.
He said that the opposite might be true when the "weakest" region could be given promising U23 players to support them.
He also said that draught schemes were "on the table" but was quite vague really.



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Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Roger Lewis was on Radio Wales a few minutes ago and Oliver Hides asked him if any region would be downgraded and he said that the participation agreement wouldn't allow for that.
He said that the opposite might be true when the "weakest" region could be given promising U23 players to support them.
He also said that draught schemes were "on the table" but was quite vague really.


But surely by the time they reach U23 (do they mean U20?) the said player would have been with one of the Regional academies for a fair time, so how could they then justify transferring said player away from the Region that developed them to one that couldn't be bothered to do the hard work. If say the Scarlets academy continued to produce good quality young players like Georgie etc, and if the WRU just went and moved them to the Dragons because they were deemed to be weaker then there would be less incentive to develop those players. The answer has got to be that all four regions aspire to academies that can produce sufficient players to reduce the need for NWC players over time. We seem to be managing it rather well at present, and if all the Welsh regions did the same there would soon be pressure to have a fifth regional side to use all the available players. There would then be more local derby games in a season which would help to undo one of the big issues with the present set-up - a large number of fixtures where the away team travels long distances, coupled with last minute fixture time announcements which hinder away supporters!

I worry that the WRU will lose some of the advantages of regional rugby with any proposed changes - our academy for example seems to be working very well - and at long last we seem to be picking players at age grade based on ability rather than on how close they live to Llanelli - things certainly are more positive on that front from the Western tip of our region than a decade ago!
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I never believed regionalisation was the answer. It has worked in Ireland purely because of their almost unique 4 province system that meant well spaced out regions already existed based in major cities and already playing a sort of county championship. Add to that that Ireland basically had no major club sides so nobody had to be downgraded to let the regions flourish.

What we have are 4 super clubs, Wales just isn't the right shape for regionalisation. It wouldn't work in England either it would be a disaster. Maybe as the only non-city and, as many people have said, always a bit of a region anyway that explains why we are bucking the trend.

We have to stick with what we have now and go with it, I think we have shown how it can be done.
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