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    Posted: 07 May 2019 at 6:58pm
This popped up on Twitter earlier today,  Rhodri King, 18 years old, Scarlets Academy, Wales U18 and played for Camarthen Athletc RFC.

Highlights videos are a bit one-eyed, but what a ball carrying hooker! Great hands and really quick.
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It works both ways boys, there are at least 6 boys in the Scarlets Academy system who were schooled in England and were signed from the Exiles .
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With Alun Wyn Jones and George North as past pupils Llandovery College would appear to be the perfect choice along with its proximity to Lladovery RFC and accessability to North Wales pupils. However, how the WRU go about it I have no idea!
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Loughborough also attracted some especially for athletes but it was for their own college reputation so far as I recall in those amateur days and now it all seems commercially tied up with Gloucester Rugby for Harpury and Clifton College for Bristol ( certainly in terms of Welsh young rugby talent which is my main concern.).
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

Are the 4 boys from Carmarthen rugby players, because Hartpury offer other sports as well.

It is difficult our education system has fallen slowly back so much over the past 50 years that we need to address that, the benefits will then follow.

There's nothing new about this - talented Welsh rugby youngsters were being offered scholarships in English 'public' schools at least as far back as the 1960s.

For example - Gareth Edwards was awarded a sports scholarship to Millfield School in Somerset.

Another former pupil is Salem Bin Laden - Osama's brother - but I guess we'd better draw a veil over that!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2019 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

Are the 4 boys from Carmarthen rugby players, because Hartpury offer other sports as well.

It is difficult our education system has fallen slowly back so much over the past 50 years that we need to address that, the benefits will then follow.

There's nothing new about this - talented Welsh rugby youngsters were being offered scholarships in English 'public' schools at least as far back as the 1960s.

For example - Gareth Edwards was awarded a sports scholarship to Millfield School in Somerset.

Another former pupil is Salem Bin Laden - Osama's brother - but I guess we'd better draw a veil over that!
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I think we need to make the under 20s our 'binding' team & not the A team who don't play at all...
The reason it was changed was because a lot of dual-qualified youngsters refused to play for us at under 20s level because they wanted to keep their options open.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I think we need to make the under 20s our 'binding' team & not the A team who don't play at all...

does appear to be a bizarre decision, if people were capped when it was our Binding team, do they stay bound now the A team is binding or does it open it all back up again?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2019 at 10:50am
I think we need to make the under 20s our 'binding' team & not the A team who don't play at all...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Why Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2019 at 9:59am
You can’t blame anyone for making use of the facilities on offer across the border where we have to be clever is by monitoring the players going to play in these colleges. We have to keep in touch with them letting them know there is a pathway open to their home region. After they finish their studies then if good enough we can welcome them back with open arms.

I am aware there is the Exiles programme that identifies players at a young age across the border that should now be enhanced with the rise in players going for further education in England.

Perhaps the WRU could consider opening its own college within Wales that provides education as well as quality sports facilities or use colleges within South Wales but is responsible for the training of the boys and girls at the Vale and other suitable sites. This could be part funded by other sports organisations in Wales and the Welsh government. It is high time we had a proper sports college/ university in Wales similar to Loughborough and Bath , if done properly it could Pay for itself with studentss from outside Wales having to pay their way.

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Hartbury College & University offer educational excellence from A levels through to degrees. Why we in Wales cannot offer equally excellent educational opportunities is beyond me. Talented young sports people can be tempted by the excellent facilities and of course bursaries.

The Welsh Government were apparently prepared to contribute £4million a year for a region in North Wales. Enough said.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2019 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

Are the 4 boys from Carmarthen rugby players, because Hartpury offer other sports as well.

It is difficult our education system has fallen slowly back so much over the past 50 years that we need to address that, the benefits will then follow.
 

Call me a cynic but I suspect here its not a case of the mantra  "Education, education , education" but "money ,money, money" Embarrassed , and of course you cant fault any youngsters and families to be offered sporting/educational deals.My issue is why can't the WRU lead the way with the Regions working with educational establishmentsto address this talent leak. These talented young boys are known to all the youth coaches and are no doubt  in the Under15-16 Welsh system , yet we allow them to jump over the bridge to England. It seems false economy to me anyway 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dai38 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2019 at 4:30pm
Are the 4 boys from Carmarthen rugby players, because Hartpury offer other sports as well.

It is difficult our education system has fallen slowly back so much over the past 50 years that we need to address that, the benefits will then follow.
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Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Its a very difficult situation. Don’t want to stand in the way of these young boys, but don’t want to lose them either.
As an aside let’s not pretend we don’t offer players additional perks when they move here.
 

True Sospan Mawr, but to me, the worrying issue for me is English clubs (for that read money) attracting young Welsh school/college level players out of the Wales game into the England game. Gloucester and Bristol's links with the two 'border' colleges may well primarily be to poach future players cheaply for their clubs BUT, it also risks those players who step up, being sucked into the England system as well and even moreso if there is a Welsh grandparent in the family ! Its a big lose lose to Welsh rugby when the costs of retaining the young talents cannot surely be more than going after players 3 years later at large cost or just losing them totally over the border. I think we may have got George North at Llandovery College on a deal but not sure, but these situations are far and few between it seems unless I am reading the wrong papers and Harbury/Clifton are big predators of young Welsh school/youth players. Lets face it the English clubs come with cheque books anyway for young regionally released players but this an even earlier poaching job. Anyway rant over !!CryEmbarrassed
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Its a very difficult situation. Don’t want to stand in the way of these young boys, but don’t want to lose them either.
As an aside let’s not pretend we don’t offer players additional perks when they move here.
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I think the WRU & the HF/FE (which ever one it is) providers need to get together & get some form of plan in place to try to minimise the amount of people going over the bridge like this.
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