Tackle on Shane

There was no effort to charge down the kick, just a dive at his legs with no arms, an illegal hit.

bazlewis wrote: Scarletman I thought it was a dangerous tackle as the forward looked to dive into shane with his shoulder first. I will watch it a couple of more times on Sky + and probably still see it as a penalty. But talking of inconsitency how far forward was hooks pass for shanes try.

I don't know what you want me to say or do ... Apologize for every refereeing mistake or for ever time a Ref/AR is unsighted, ....

If he didn't see it .... He couldn't give it !

I bet he doesn't get booed when he next refs at Y Parc for not awarding Australia a Scrum !

 Incidentally .. if Palau had dived to charge the Kick with his feet first, what would you have given

Right Frame by Frame with explanations !

Left side of screen ... Polota-Nau's Left Hand which discounts leading with the shoulder !


Right hand now in view with Pocock arriving, meanwhile Shane's leg has gone between Poloto-Nau's outstretched arms.


Polota-Nau has contacted Shanes legs but both arms clearly in view in front of his body. Pocock arriving & the impact "seems" to tip up Shane !

scarletman wrote: Right Frame by Frame with explanations ! Left side of screen ... Polota-Nau's Left Hand which discounts leading with the shoulder ! Right hand now in view with Pocock arriving, meanwhile Shane's leg has gone between Poloto-Nau's outstretched arms. Polota-Nau has contacted Shanes legs but both arms clearly in view in front of his body. Pocock arriving & the impact "seems" to tip up Shane !

At the end of the day you can debate the rights and wrongs til the cows come home, it'll be a hot day in hell before people don't have a go at refs.

What we need is 1000's of refs being trained...If it were that way , we could throw the shit lot out

Nothing wrong with that tackle/block, man up mun lads.

bazlewis wrote: Scarletman I was not having a go at you I was asking because you see things from a more detatched view point, as you say you can see the tacklers hands in the freeze frame, but when you see it in normal speed it looks a lot worse. By the way John I dont want to cause arguments over something that cant be changed. I was thinking Barnes owes the Scarlets one for the forward pass he missed in the LV at northampton, I remember it bet he dont.

bazlewis wrote: Scarletman I was not having a go at you I was asking because you see things from a more detatched view point, as you say you can see the tacklers hands in the freeze frame, but when you see it in normal speed it looks a lot worse. By the way John I dont want to cause arguments over something that cant be changed. I was thinking Barnes owes the Scarlets one for the forward pass he missed in the LV at northampton, I remember it bet he dont.

Believe me Baz I wasn't starting an arguement, I am just getting a bit peeved that Referees in general are getting blamed for everything, by people who watch through a Fans view. It's very hard to get ex players in to the Refereeing Circiut nowadays, & contrary to popular belief, Refs do NOT get paid a fee until quite high up the ladder. Most Referees give up 4 hours on a Saturday afternoon, for 45p a mile expenses. & then get faced with torrents of criticism & abuse to boot ! As I have stated in many threads since Samgate, Refs are human and there are many factors that come into play every second of a match that all influence the game in some way or another ... What we as referees want is consistency... Players consistently onside ... Players consistently syaying on their feet ... Players consistently NOT slowing the ball down ... Players consistently..... you can see where I am going here ....

I am now looking forward to chewing up the Lawbook with you in Northampton over a beer or two (medication permitting) ! That's if Sal hasn't killed me in the car on the way up first !