Saracens docked 35 points... |
Post Reply | Page <1234 10> |
Author | |||||
EJPT
Veteran Joined: 14 February 2012 Location: Berkshire Status: Offline Points: 3319 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Probably why There has only been 3 winners in the past 9 years Sarries, Leinster and Toulon. But credit to Leinster the players they produce are consistently class. Sarries and Toulon have thrown so much money about.
|
|||||
Sponsored Links | |||||
KID A
Moderator Group Joined: 16 August 2004 Location: Cardiff Status: Offline Points: 27572 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
All three have similar wage spend. Leinster are able to hang on to their players because the IRFU spends so much to keep them there. In reality, the English Premiership shouldn't have a salary cap - Just like the Pro14. We'd see some real moaning then, when Saracens win their 10th consecutive league and cup double. |
|||||
SospanMawr
Veteran Joined: 03 April 2013 Location: The North Stand Status: Offline Points: 10035 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
|
|||||
KID A
Moderator Group Joined: 16 August 2004 Location: Cardiff Status: Offline Points: 27572 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Because other leagues don't. As long as we all compete in Europe together, the rules should be the same. There is no salary cap in Europe - but the squads are the same (you can't have Europe only players). The same with multiple ownership; no single body is allowed to own more than 1 team in the English Premiership. Yet in the Pro14 and Europe, one body owns 4 teams - Swapping players between them to make them all stronger! It's a nonsense!!! |
|||||
GPR - Rochester
Veteran Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Online Points: 18784 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Whether they should have a salary cap is a fair question but irrelevant in this case. Wray has purposely gone out of his way to circumvent a known rule so is guilty as charged. Hopefully it will be made clear to Mr Wray before he files his appeal that the punishment can also go up as well as down.
Personally I would love to see Saracens relegated and lose some of their star players as what they have tried to do is plainly wrong on all levels. Lets not forget they were part of the decision making group - Premiership Rugby - who introduced the salary cap in the first place. Obviously I feel for their supporters as they have no control over the honesty of their management.
|
|||||
KID A
Moderator Group Joined: 16 August 2004 Location: Cardiff Status: Offline Points: 27572 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
That is not what the panel found. |
|||||
EJPT
Veteran Joined: 14 February 2012 Location: Berkshire Status: Offline Points: 3319 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
The top 14 has a salary cap, it just eclipses everyones ability to spend that amount. Irish and Welsh clubs only spend what they can afford on par or below the premiership cap.
Struggle to understand why you wouldn’t want to help us retain our homegrown talent and instead you’d rather see our players play for the richest teams. But each to their own I guess...
|
|||||
KID A
Moderator Group Joined: 16 August 2004 Location: Cardiff Status: Offline Points: 27572 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
All clubs spend what they can afford. Including Saracens. They are just bankrolled differently. Unless you think Connacht are actually self sustainable for their £5m salary pot.
Yes that's exactly what I said. |
|||||
GPR - Rochester
Veteran Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Online Points: 18784 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to why they have been penalised.
|
|||||
SospanMawr
Veteran Joined: 03 April 2013 Location: The North Stand Status: Offline Points: 10035 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
The Premiership has obviously decided it wants the clubs to prioritise winning the league and so they want to keep it as even as possible. As they organise, market and insure that league I think they’re within their rights to do so. If it means they’re going to be less competitive in Europe, that’s their decision. I agree on the second point. It’s definitely murky, and a cynic could argue that some results towards the end of the season can be influenced to get certain teams into more profitable competitions the next year.. which is just wrong.
|
|||||
EJPT
Veteran Joined: 14 February 2012 Location: Berkshire Status: Offline Points: 3319 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Just bankrolled differently
|
|||||
KID A
Moderator Group Joined: 16 August 2004 Location: Cardiff Status: Offline Points: 27572 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Yes. Their statement:
If they have broken the salary cap regulations (deliberately or otherwise), they should be punished. If they have been told that certain payments do NOT count towards the salary cap, but now have been punished for those payments, then this will run and run. |
|||||
SospanMawr
Veteran Joined: 03 April 2013 Location: The North Stand Status: Offline Points: 10035 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
|
|||||
KID A
Moderator Group Joined: 16 August 2004 Location: Cardiff Status: Offline Points: 27572 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
There is no difference - apart from one set of accounts being made publicly available, and the other being hidden so we can't see how much their team costs. |
|||||
GPR - Rochester
Veteran Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Online Points: 18784 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Thanks Kid A. I thought I may have missed something but I had read that comment. I think Wray is on pretty dodgy ground - sometimes when your in a hole you've got to stop digging. Basically he is trying to say that the enquiry agreed with him that his private deals with Itoje, the Vunipolas & Farrell should not be treated as salaries yet they have found Saracens guilty of breaching the salary cap for 3 seasons in a row. Something is not quite right here & it is going to cost Saracens a lot more money to pursue an appeal. I think most sensible supporters will have flinched a little when they read originally about Wray's personal investments with his players.
|
|||||
GPR - Rochester
Veteran Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Online Points: 18784 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Well I think you would find that the IRFU would argue that there is a big difference. Firstly they are investing from the black i.e. money surpluses made by Irish rugby. Wray's input is firstly a loan and I guess repayable on demand - pretty different animal I would suggest.
|
|||||
Post Reply | Page <1234 10> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |