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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2019 at 2:19pm
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This is apparently all up in the air now due to "Ireland 2 / Leinster" winning the league and therefore should be Ireland 1 so it's anyone's guess what'll happen now until the P14 officially announce it.

This league truly is a shambles.
its all balls.
only this league can have a system like this.
 
even the European play off for the 4th placed teams...how a 5th place team came into the equation is absolutely bonkers.
 
league standing is what they say but now leinster aren't Ireland 1 they are moving the goal posts...correct!!?!
It all goes back to the way the rules were written, you’d imagine.

EPC Rugby get it right for the purposes of qualification, ie when we won the PRO12, we were top seeds, whereas the league position was 4th(?). 

I seem to recall that they take the league finishing position, unless a higher result has been achieved in the play-offs.

Quite why the PRO14 wasn’t written in the same way is a mystery. 

Equally mystifying is the howler in which had we needed to play Blues, they’d have had home advantage and that’s without tackling the question of whether they’d any right at all to compete for the Champs Cup. Really, it should’ve been the other 4th place side going through automatic.

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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

This is apparently all up in the air now due to "Ireland 2 / Leinster" winning the league and therefore should be Ireland 1 so it's anyone's guess what'll happen now until the P14 officially announce it.

This league truly is a shambles.
its all balls.
only this league can have a system like this.
 
even the European play off for the 4th placed teams...how a 5th place team came into the equation is absolutely bonkers.
 
league standing is what they say but now leinster aren't Ireland 1 they are moving the goal posts...correct!!?!
It all goes back to the way the rules were written, you’d imagine.

EPC Rugby get it right for the purposes of qualification, ie when we won the PRO12, we were top seeds, whereas the league position was 4th(?). 

I seem to recall that they take the league finishing position, unless a higher result has been achieved in the play-offs.

Quite why the PRO14 wasn’t written in the same way is a mystery. 

Equally mystifying is the howler in which had we needed to play Blues, they’d have had home advantage and that’s without tackling the question of whether they’d any right at all to compete for the Champs Cup. Really, it should’ve been the other 4th place side going through automatic.

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exactly. the league shall we say has few odd moments!
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It’s always been points in the European cup not finishing position.
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

This is apparently all up in the air now due to "Ireland 2 / Leinster" winning the league and therefore should be Ireland 1 so it's anyone's guess what'll happen now until the P14 officially announce it.

This league truly is a shambles.
its all balls.
only this league can have a system like this.
 
even the European play off for the 4th placed teams...how a 5th place team came into the equation is absolutely bonkers.
 
league standing is what they say but now leinster aren't Ireland 1 they are moving the goal posts...correct!!?!
It all goes back to the way the rules were written, you’d imagine.

EPC Rugby get it right for the purposes of qualification, ie when we won the PRO12, we were top seeds, whereas the league position was 4th(?). 

I seem to recall that they take the league finishing position, unless a higher result has been achieved in the play-offs.

Quite why the PRO14 wasn’t written in the same way is a mystery. 

Equally mystifying is the howler in which had we needed to play Blues, they’d have had home advantage and that’s without tackling the question of whether they’d any right at all to compete for the Champs Cup. Really, it should’ve been the other 4th place side going through automatic.

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Nothing mystifying there. The rules stated it all out. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

This is apparently all up in the air now due to "Ireland 2 / Leinster" winning the league and therefore should be Ireland 1 so it's anyone's guess what'll happen now until the P14 officially announce it.

This league truly is a shambles.
its all balls.
only this league can have a system like this.
 
even the European play off for the 4th placed teams...how a 5th place team came into the equation is absolutely bonkers.
 
league standing is what they say but now leinster aren't Ireland 1 they are moving the goal posts...correct!!?!
It all goes back to the way the rules were written, you’d imagine.

EPC Rugby get it right for the purposes of qualification, ie when we won the PRO12, we were top seeds, whereas the league position was 4th(?). 

I seem to recall that they take the league finishing position, unless a higher result has been achieved in the play-offs.

Quite why the PRO14 wasn’t written in the same way is a mystery. 

Equally mystifying is the howler in which had we needed to play Blues, they’d have had home advantage and that’s without tackling the question of whether they’d any right at all to compete for the Champs Cup. Really, it should’ve been the other 4th place side going through automatic.

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Nothing mystifying there. The rules stated it all out. 
It is the way that the rules were written that is the mystery, especially on the aspects raised above.
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I think the line I love most in the tournament rules is Celtic Rugby will have divided the Clubs into two conferences of seven Clubs each, Conference A and Conference B, at Celtic Rugby’s discretion. SO basically however Celtic rugby fancy.
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Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/guinness-pro14-conferences-overhauled-next-16077439

Conference B
Ireland 1 Munster
Wales 2 Cardiff Blues
Wales 3 Scarlets
Ireland 4 Connacht
Scotland 2 Edinburgh
Italy 1 Benetton
South Africa 2 Southern Kings
Conference A
Wales 1  Ospreys
Ireland 2 Leinster
Ireland 3 Ulster
Wales 4 Dragons
Scotland 1 Glasgow
Italy 2 Zebre
South Africa 1 Cheetahs
New WOL article with slight amendments. All that changes is Italy 1 is now in our conference instead of Italy 2, and therefore they've switched round South African teams to offset.

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WoL also has Edinburgh in our Conference



Edited by minded - 12 June 2019 at 5:19pm
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We get Scotland 2.
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Amended, makes our conference slightly easier i guess
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