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Topic: Wales Squad for the 2021 6 Nations
Posted By: Fscarlet
Subject: Wales Squad for the 2021 6 Nations
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:02pm

Forwards:

Rhys Carre (Cardiff Bues) (12 Caps), Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (30 Caps) Rhodri Jones (Ospreys) (17 Caps)

Elliot Dee (Dragons) (33 Caps), Ryan Elias (Scarlets) (17 Caps), Ken Owens (Scarlets) (77 Caps)

Leon Brown (Dragons) (12 Caps), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (52 Caps), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (28 Caps)

Jake Ball (Scarlets) (49 Caps)Adam Beard (Ospreys) (21 Caps), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys) (143 Caps), Will Rowlands (Wasps) (5 Caps), Cory Hill (Cardiff Blues) (29 Caps)

Dan Lydiate (Ospreys) (62 Caps), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues) (24 Caps)

Aaron Wainwright (Dragons) (27 Caps),Taulupe Faletau (Bath) (81 Caps)

Josh MacLeod (Scarlets) (*Uncapped),Justin Tipuric (Ospreys) (80 Caps)

Backs:

Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (57 Caps)Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (20 Caps), Kieran Hardy (Scarlets) (2 Caps)

Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints) (87 Caps), Callum Sheedy (Bristol Bears) (4 Caps), Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues) (6 Caps)

Johnny Williams (Scarlets) (2 Caps), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets) (85 Caps)Nick Tompkins (Dragons) (8 Caps), Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (25 Caps)

George North (Ospreys) (98 Caps), Josh Adams (Cardiff Blues) (29 Caps), Hallam Amos (Cardiff Blues) (22 Caps), Louis Rees-Zammit (Gloucester) (4 Caps)

Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets) (93 Caps). Liam Williams (Scarlets) (67 Caps)




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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:05pm
The following players are unavaiable due to injury:

Rob Evans, Nicky Smith, Samson Lee, Ross Moriarty, James Davies, Ellis Jenkins, Gareth Anscombe, Rhys Patchell, Scott Williams, Jonah Holmes.


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:05pm
Underwhelming in my view. With the options available, why recall a 33 year old in the back row? 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Underwhelming in my view. With the options available, why recall a 33 year old in the back row? 

He has been outstanding defensively for the Ospreys & Pivac has a handful of games to save his job.


Posted By: Owen111
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:14pm
Feels a bit hash on Shane LH he looks a real good player 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:21pm
What has Amos done to get himself in there? 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:21pm
where is young botham? amos Dillon lewis   and fatty carre are all in  LOL
 
what a weird selection
 
how much rugby have ken awj naividi and liam played since November between them?
 
Pivac will be out come end of 6 nations thankfully


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

where is young botham? amos Dillon lewis   and fatty carre are all in  LOL
 
what a weird selection
 
how much rugby have ken awj naividi and liam played since November between them?
 
Pivac will be out come end of 6 nations thankfully

To talk about picking on form and leave out the Cardiff flankers is pretty weird.Likewise Phillips,whose form makes him the best hooker in Wales.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:46pm
Jake? will he be fit as his injury looked bad.


Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Feels a bit hash on Shane LH he looks a real good player 

Agree đź‘Ť


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:55pm
seb davies has been discarded again, big fan of lydiate but should we be backing a younger talent? the western snail reports navidi and ellis jenkins are due back soon, 2 class flankers who hopefully have a test future.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 12:56pm
Well from that, I agree, little underwhelming selection can we assume that Jake, Wyn & Ken will be playing Friday?????


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:00pm
Congratulations to those scarlets players who have been selected.  From our point of view though, it leaves us really short in certain areas,  we lose both scrum halves, both fullbacks, 2 centres, 2 tight heads (one unavailable due to injury) and Jake Ball (who is leaving for Australia in the summer so isn’t going to be available for Wales moving forward).
This squad seems to be chosen through desperation due to previous results and the pressure on Pivac to produce positive results.  Lydiate’s admission is a joke.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:09pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Jake? will he be fit as his injury looked bad.
 
prob be fit for the last 2 games, and will get called up only to get injured in the last gameWink


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:19pm
It does beg the question whats up with Rob Evans? 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:20pm
anyone know the odds on wooden spoon?can't find them anywhere.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:21pm
Form and availabity cocktail, mixed in with some unfathomable calls.

Amos, Beard, Dillon Lewis and Tompkins can count themselves fortunate.

Lewis Hughes, Botham and Sam Parry must be left kicking the skirting boards.

Risky calls on AWJ, Sanjay and Navidi. All could miss the first game or it will be first game they will have played in a while.

Personal note I'm delighted for Lydiate. He has actually been the form 6 in Wales and pretty much carried the O's pack for the last season and a half. Still, the back row is full of players who could well not be around in 2023 (Tips, Navidi, Taulupe, Lydiate).


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Form and availabity cocktail, mixed in with some unfathomable calls.

Amos, Beard, Dillon Lewis and Tompkins can count themselves fortunate.

Lewis Hughes, Botham and Sam Parry must be left kicking the skirting boards.

Risky calls on AWJ, Sanjay and Navidi. All could miss the first game or it will be first game they will have played in a while.

Personal note I'm delighted for Lydiate. He has actually been the form 6 in Wales and pretty much carried the O's pack for the last season and a half. Still, the back row is full of players who could well not be around in 2023 (Tips, Navidi, Taulupe, Lydiate).
And they will have a bus pass by then,are they valid in france?LOLLOLLOL


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:27pm
sorry,thought it read could be around.doh!


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:33pm
Pivac was told he could not use Preistland.



Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Pivac was told he could not use Preistland.

any idea why?


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Pivac was told he could not use Preistland.

any idea why?

Nope, none at all. This is the from the press conference

What was the thinking on Jarrod Evans and Rhys Priestland?

Wayne Pivac:"Jarrod’s been brought in.

"He missed the autumn and was told to work on his kicking game. He’s been working on that.

"We asked the question about Priestland as we have injuries to Patchell and Anscombe. It was about if we could select Rhys if we needed to.

"That question has been answered. We now know we cannot use him."



Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:42pm
Have the bookies got a shortlist for next Welsh coach yet?


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Pivac was told he could not use Preistland.


any idea why?


Nope, none at all. This is the from the press conference

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Fascinating.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:54pm
I am trying to see some positives in this squad but apart from Jarrod I am struggling. We have 8 of the 36 who must be considered outsiders for 2023 for a start. Looking at the fundamentals - lineout - we have 6 back row forwards of whom only Tipuric has any previous as a lineout presence; scrum if anything happens to Francis and/or Wyn will Pivac stay true to his squad or parachute someone in to start.? Breakdown - we have two specialists - one who hasn't played since September and another who has no caps. 

If, as Pivac is prone to saying, the Autumn was the chance to experiment what can we make of the exclusion of Lloyd Williams in favour of Hardy? Did he make a mistake in selecting Lloyd, has Lloyd suddenly lost his form because I can say with some degree of certainty that Kieran is not going through a purple patch. 

I am left with a feeling of much what I would expect from Pivac on selection - pretty muddled thinking needing some clarity which isn't there. He tried to be upbeat post the Autumn saying he now knew who his strongest players were. From that squad I am expecting the following to start against Ireland provided that Navidi & Ken play on Friday and Jake doesn't.

15. Leigh 14. Josh 13. Foxy 12. Johnny 11. LRZ 10. Biggar 9. Tomas
1. Wyn 2 Ken 3. Tomos 4. Rowlands 5. AWJ 6. Navidi 7. Tipuric 8 Faletau

16. Ryan 17. Carre 18. Brown 19. Hill 20 Josh 21. Cawdor 22. Sheedy 23. North. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Pivac was told he could not use Preistland.

any idea why?

Nope, none at all. This is the from the press conference

What was the thinking on Jarrod Evans and Rhys Priestland?

Wayne Pivac:"Jarrod’s been brought in.

"He missed the autumn and was told to work on his kicking game. He’s been working on that.

"We asked the question about Priestland as we have injuries to Patchell and Anscombe. It was about if we could select Rhys if we needed to.

"That question has been answered. We now know we cannot use him."


Why the different treatment of Webb & Rhys - the mind boggles. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 1:59pm
Pivac has also said that he expects players to stay in the bubble longer this time. So less chance of player release (not that there was much chance of that previously!!)


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 2:10pm
I'm a little surprised at seeing Rhodri selected ahead of Nicky Smith too, but then I haven't seen much of either for the Ospreys.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 2:14pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Have the bookies got a shortlist for next Welsh coach yet?
Delaney 4/5 LOL


Posted By: trident
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I'm a little surprised at seeing Rhodri selected ahead of Nicky Smith too, but then I haven't seen much of either for the Ospreys.
Smith listed as injured isn’t he?


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by trident trident wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I'm a little surprised at seeing Rhodri selected ahead of Nicky Smith too, but then I haven't seen much of either for the Ospreys.
Smith listed as injured isn’t he?

Silly me 


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Pivac has also said that he expects players to stay in the bubble longer this time. So less chance of player release (not that there was much chance of that previously!!)
As much as it’s annoying for us it probably makes sense with the virus levels so high. Let’s hope that if the situation improves (virus wise not Wales’ performances!) that will change by the end of the 6N.


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:09pm
Guess no one really knows but what is wrong with Rob Evans? Had a stunner against Bath then gone!?

I had heard something about him but that wouldnt explain his ongoing absence.

WoL said concussion but unless that happened in training, I'm not sure where he picked that up


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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

anyone know the odds on wooden spoon?can't find them anywhere.
Please put some money, even a token amount, on this so that we can rest assured it won’t happen Wink

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

anyone know the odds on wooden spoon?can't find them anywhere.
Please put some money, even a token amount, on this so that we can rest assured it won’t happen Wink
your not far wrongLOL


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

anyone know the odds on wooden spoon?can't find them anywhere.
Please put some money, even a token amount, on this so that we can rest assured it won’t happen Wink
I remember rhodri williams dad alan having a fiver at i think 500/1 on wales wooden spoon when we finished bottom a good few years ago.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

anyone know the odds on wooden spoon?can't find them anywhere.
Please put some money, even a token amount, on this so that we can rest assured it won’t happen Wink
I remember rhodri williams dad alan having a fiver at i think 500/1 on wales wooden spoon when we finished bottom a good few years ago.
Wow, that must’ve been a good occasion. It would’ve been worth a lot then.Clap

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:45pm
Don't know what the odds are but its worth a fiver this year. Cry


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:51pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Form and availabity cocktail, mixed in with some unfathomable calls.

Amos, Beard, Dillon Lewis and Tompkins can count themselves fortunate.

Lewis Hughes, Botham and Sam Parry must be left kicking the skirting boards.

Risky calls on AWJ, Sanjay and Navidi. All could miss the first game or it will be first game they will have played in a while.

Personal note I'm delighted for Lydiate. He has actually been the form 6 in Wales and pretty much carried the O's pack for the last season and a half. Still, the back row is full of players who could well not be around in 2023 (Tips, Navidi, Taulupe, Lydiate).
 
 
Quick question for you will ,  what's your take  ( and anyone else on here)  on players with little or no game time eg ken awj ball naivdi and liam being parachuted directly into test rugby?
 
 
If my memory serves me right, this rarely pays off for us
 
They maybe the premier players in wales in their position but are we better off playing the guys who while not as good are actually playing and match fit?
 


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 3:53pm
I cant belive the cardiff props have been chosen. They cant even get in the cardiff 1st XV. surely WGJ is a better option than Lewis. And A N Other would be a better fit than Carre

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Form and availabity cocktail, mixed in with some unfathomable calls.

Amos, Beard, Dillon Lewis and Tompkins can count themselves fortunate.

Lewis Hughes, Botham and Sam Parry must be left kicking the skirting boards.

Risky calls on AWJ, Sanjay and Navidi. All could miss the first game or it will be first game they will have played in a while.

Personal note I'm delighted for Lydiate. He has actually been the form 6 in Wales and pretty much carried the O's pack for the last season and a half. Still, the back row is full of players who could well not be around in 2023 (Tips, Navidi, Taulupe, Lydiate).
 
 
Quick question for you will ,  what's your take  ( and anyone else on here)  on players with little or no game time eg ken awj ball naivdi and liam being parachuted directly into test rugby?
 
 
If my memory serves me right, this rarely pays off for us
 
They maybe the premier players in wales in their position but are we better off playing the guys who while not as good are actually playing and match fit?
 

Well if you want my halfpenneth I think its crazy playing guys who are not match fit. Having said that it is exactly what fast Eddie is about to do with the all the Saracens players in his squad. They haven't played since November. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I cant belive the cardiff props have been chosen. They cant even get in the cardiff 1st XV. surely WGJ is a better option than Lewis. And A N Other would be a better fit than Carre

You are spot on - Domachowski & Thyer are selected to start ahead of Carre & Dillon seems to have disappeared. The Welsh front 5 at the moment look like lambs to the slaughter against Ireland. I sincerely hope I am wrong.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Guess no one really knows but what is wrong with Rob Evans? Had a stunner against Bath then gone!?

I had heard something about him but that wouldnt explain his ongoing absence.

WoL said concussion but unless that happened in training, I'm not sure where he picked that up
He's suffering with concussion

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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Don't know what the odds are but its worth a fiver this year. Cry

Your were telling me off for saying I don’t think we can expect to beat Ireland yesterday!! 👀

One squad announcement later and you’re putting a 5er on us losing to Italy! LOL


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 4:22pm
Happy for Lydiate. 

Think Priestland should have got a call up but I can see why not. 

I think it’s good that there’s examples of players going out of fashion and then working themselves back into the team by playing well at club level - Lydiate looked like the game had passed him by at one point but he’s proved he’s still got the skill - just whether he has the pace for international level is my concern.

Happy that J. Evans is in. 

Disappointed for Seb Davies not to get in ahead of Ball - I think he’s got real talent but maybe not enough bulk / line out capabilities?

Disappointed not to see Randall given the nod over Hardy - purely because I’d like to see Hardy playing for us and I’d like to see Randall capped before Eng get him 🤞


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 4:38pm
That’s a squad picked by a guy who’s out the door if he has another poor campaign. There’s no signs of a building for the future squad it’s a win at all costs one. 


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s a squad picked by a guy who’s out the door if he has another poor campaign. There’s no signs of a building for the future squad it’s a win at all costs one. 

I would say I think the whole “4 year plan”, pick your squad based on who is gonna be around in 2023 can be taken a bit too far.

Rassie Erasmus took SA from laughing stock to RWC winners in 18 months.

Try and win every game and tournament you’re in - with the best players you’ve got! 


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 5:00pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Form and availabity cocktail, mixed in with some unfathomable calls.

Amos, Beard, Dillon Lewis and Tompkins can count themselves fortunate.

Lewis Hughes, Botham and Sam Parry must be left kicking the skirting boards.

Risky calls on AWJ, Sanjay and Navidi. All could miss the first game or it will be first game they will have played in a while.

Personal note I'm delighted for Lydiate. He has actually been the form 6 in Wales and pretty much carried the O's pack for the last season and a half. Still, the back row is full of players who could well not be around in 2023 (Tips, Navidi, Taulupe, Lydiate).

 
 
Quick question for you will ,  what's your take  ( and anyone else on here)  on players with little or no game time eg ken awj ball naivdi and liam being parachuted directly into test rugby?
 
 
If my memory serves me right, this rarely pays off for us
 
They maybe the premier players in wales in their position but are we better off playing the guys who while not as good are actually playing and match fit?
 




At international level you can expect a returning player to 'empty the tank' so you can at least bank on that.

And you can get away with bringing back a player with decent bench cover.

Wales' problem is they could easily go in to the first game with returning players, or players short of game time at :
2 (Ken)
4 (AWJ)
5 (Ball)
12 (Jonny W)
13 (Foxy)

To add that Navidi, Macloed and Watkin are coming off an injury, and Rhodri Jones and Dillon Lewis are not always first choice at their clubs.

The only players in good international level 'form' right now for me are Tomos Williams, George North, Tips, Lydiate, Biggar/Jarred and Halfpenny.

Not a great looking squad profile.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 5:02pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s a squad picked by a guy who’s out the door if he has another poor campaign. There’s no signs of a building for the future squad it’s a win at all costs one. 
Yep, and for me the Six Nations isn't the place to experiment. That tournament should always be about the here and now.

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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 5:35pm
I dont know if this time Pivac can save himself....I feel as there isnt hype about 6N and the call up...



Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 5:48pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:


Quick question for you will ,  what's your take  ( and anyone else on here)  on players with little or no game time eg ken awj ball naivdi and liam being parachuted directly into test rugby?
 
 
If my memory serves me right, this rarely pays off for us
 
They maybe the premier players in wales in their position but are we better off playing the guys who while not as good are actually playing and match fit?
 




At international level you can expect a returning player to 'empty the tank' so you can at least bank on that.

And you can get away with bringing back a player with decent bench cover.

Wales' problem is they could easily go in to the first game with returning players, or players short of game time at :
2 (Ken)
4 (AWJ)
5 (Ball)
12 (Jonny W)
13 (Foxy)

To add that Navidi, Macloed and Watkin are coming off an injury, and Rhodri Jones and Dillon Lewis are not always first choice at their clubs.

The only players in good international level 'form' right now for me are Tomos Williams, George North, Tips, Lydiate, Biggar/Jarred and Halfpenny.

Not a great looking squad profile.

One remark Eddie Jones has made in the past is that a player who’s returning from injury or isn’t match fit can usually perform well on the first game back but their performance drops off the following week - I believe he justified dropping Ben Teo this way once.

If it’s true then Pivac should be careful which game he chooses to launch Navidi, AWJ & Ken back into it 


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 5:50pm
That’s a very good point.


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 20 January 2021 at 7:04pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s a squad picked by a guy who’s out the door if he has another poor campaign. There’s no signs of a building for the future squad it’s a win at all costs one. 
Yep, and for me the Six Nations isn't the place to experiment. That tournament should always be about the here and now.

I think that sums it up, really.

The squad holds no great surprises - Lydiate has been playing well, TBF, and deserves his recall. In fact, given that Wales have great problems crossing the gain line, I'd have also recalled Doc Roberts, who has been playing as well as any centre in Wales this term - with improved distribution to add to his power... though his omission, again, is no surprise.

Wales lack good options in a number of positions, in part because of injuries. We can't have much optimism for this campaign.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 January 2021 at 7:53am
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Don't know what the odds are but its worth a fiver this year. Cry

Your were telling me off for saying I don’t think we can expect to beat Ireland yesterday!! 👀

One squad announcement later and you’re putting a 5er on us losing to Italy! LOL

Yes Dyniol you are spot on.Confused. My point really was that we have been reduced in a very short time to considering putting up a brave losing effort at home to Ireland as some sort of progress. Not much about this squad of aging past stars along with many short of games and form excites me I am afraid. I have no expectations at all but will still be screaming at the boys from my sofa come kick off. 


Posted By: Cofi
Date Posted: 21 January 2021 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I cant belive the cardiff props have been chosen. They cant even get in the cardiff 1st XV. surely WGJ is a better option than Lewis. And A N Other would be a better fit than Carre
Carre goes to show that a big frame does not necessarily a rugby player make.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 21 January 2021 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by Cofi Cofi wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I cant belive the cardiff props have been chosen. They cant even get in the cardiff 1st XV. surely WGJ is a better option than Lewis. And A N Other would be a better fit than Carre
Carre goes to show that a big frame does not necessarily a rugby player make.

But have you seen him weightlift in the gym? (That's what people like Sam Warburton were saying about him when he re-signed for the Blues).


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 21 January 2021 at 2:39pm
Apparently it was the PRB who said Rhys Preistland couldn't be involved despite him signing a 2 year deal with the Blues.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 22 January 2021 at 9:29am
It's being reported that Owen Farrell has tested positive for Covid.



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