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Topic: The Foxes Knee
Posted By: sgsmorgan
Subject: The Foxes Knee
Date Posted: 20 October 2019 at 1:48pm
Anyone have any idea what the score is, how bad and what the real story is?



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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 20 October 2019 at 7:55pm
Gatland says he may be fit for the SF. That's only slightly better than ruling him out though.

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 20 October 2019 at 7:57pm
Obviously were all hoping he makes it back but decision needs to be made soon to give us time to get scott on the plane

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 6:18am
I think it’s odds on he will be fit, who would want to miss a RWC SF!

It’s also Gats’ pre determined view, and one he has stoutly stood by, that it would need a calamitous chain of injury to oblige him to call anyone up/send anyone home. I think the players really like this...


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 7:39am
Gats sticks by his players through thick & thin and that is often to be commended. In this instance if Foxy proves he's ok by Monday night/Tuesday morning I think he will stick. An interesting alternative may depend on the extent of Navidi's hamstring injury. Even a mild tear would mean he won't play again in Japan. What odds Navidi being replaced by Scott?


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 8:30am
Wainwright finished the game with a strapped ankle and a limp so ......

is Faletau fit by now?  

I didn't think Watkins had a good game yesterday. He is a very talented and promising young player but has he played outside centre much? Scott would have been a better option because he plays both positions. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 9:09am
Wainwright interview - said he was fine.


Posted By: Exkixu
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 9:10am
Don't know about Foxy but they are going to ship Parkes back to us in several parts. I wouldn't be surprised if he's done for most of the season afther the RWC.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 9:38am
Yes I have many reservations about Hadleigh as an International 12 but guts and giving his all are not two of them. He will be sidelined to recover from his knocks I would imagine until the 6 nations rolls around. He may make the season finale. Same could also be said for Foxy. 


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 10:11am
Hadleigh at the begin of hi carrer wasnt an international players, but with the hard work and perseverance, also the right situation, Llanelli and Scarlets for him; He showed that deserve international stage.
He s a kind of player who Gats likes so much, the old Roberts...so I can understand that his best maybe passed, but for our cause he will be a extraordinary player.
I see for him a future in coaching staff...


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 10:21am
HP First on Pivacs list and next to AWJ on Gatlands list. I rest my case 👍 What an all round success he has been and a. Brilliant appointment by Wayne. Still got 2 years in him. Kiwicop for sure and a nice guy 

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Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 11:06am
He is simply hard as nails. playing every second of the world cup I believe with a broken hand, ribs and ankle injuries, shoulder, plus, his wife home expecting anytime soon...so even mentally drained too probably.
Dont expect him in a scarlet jersey in 2019.
game or two before the 6N maybe and then the run in. likewise foxy.
 
lots of criticism of Parkes v France and other games, but he was the only starting back to go on a clean break, had 2 of them - the only other back was Tomos Williams.
He also tackled double the amount of Watkin as well as being involved twice as much in attack than Watkin...yet there are cries to drop him v SA to replace him with Watkin...bonkers! He was our best back v France defensively and in attack.


Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 11:13am
Scott Williams going to Japan for navidi, makes sense


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 11:21am
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

He is simply hard as nails. playing every second of the world cup I believe with a broken hand, ribs and ankle injuries, shoulder, plus, his wife home expecting anytime soon...so even mentally drained too probably.
Dont expect him in a scarlet jersey in 2019.
game or two before the 6N maybe and then the run in. likewise foxy.
 
lots of criticism of Parkes v France and other games, but he was the only starting back to go on a clean break, had 2 of them - the only other back was Tomos Williams.
He also tackled double the amount of Watkin as well as being involved twice as much in attack than Watkin...yet there are cries to drop him v SA to replace him with Watkin...bonkers! He was our best back v France defensively and in attack.
Well said.

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 11:41am
Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Scott Williams going to Japan for navidi, makes sense


Someone better tell him then!
Ha!


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 11:56am
Parkes a great guy total warrior but he clearly isn’t fit. I’d play watkin and foxy on the weekend. Scott should get the call up as navidi out. Shingler to the bench. Id bench north amd biggar to patchell to 10 hp to 15 liam to wing


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 12:23pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Scott Williams going to Japan for navidi, makes sense


Someone better tell him then!
Ha!

Perhaps his phone is on silent Wil !!!!LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 12:27pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Scott Williams going to Japan for navidi, makes sense


Someone better tell him then!
Ha!

Perhaps his phone is on silent Wil !!!!LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

LOL

knock the door mun the william webb ellis is on the line here Tongue


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Posted By: PTScarlet
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 2:14pm
I guarantee that we won't see Foxy and Parkes this season. Apparently Parkes has been playing with a fracture, always heavily strapped too. I hope I'm wrong.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Scott Williams going to Japan for navidi, makes sense


Someone better tell him then!
Ha!


Is there not a Bagman  vacancy on expenses opportunity for someone to go with him if selected ? 😉👍


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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 2:38pm
Really happy for Scott!


Posted By: thommo
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

I guarantee that we won't see Foxy and Parkes this season. Apparently Parkes has been playing with a fracture, always heavily strapped too. I hope I'm wrong.
What guarantee? 


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by thommo thommo wrote:

Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

I guarantee that we won't see Foxy and Parkes this season. Apparently Parkes has been playing with a fracture, always heavily strapped too. I hope I'm wrong.
What guarantee? 
He can't guarantee that

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 3:01pm
Would roberts be an option at 12?


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Would roberts be an option at 12?

is he in japan? is he match fit? hes not played test rugby for 2 years but he was always a rock in defence


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 4:01pm
He was on the bench for Bath this last weekend.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 4:02pm
scott for me

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Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 4:15pm
wait  for the call for Henson lol LOL


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 4:30pm
Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

wait  for the call for Henson lol LOL

That would be a 'shocker' !!!!!LOLLOLLOLLOL


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 4:33pm


Owen Lane called up and flew out to Japan this morning .


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 4:37pm
lane it is then. Odd call tbh


Posted By: tannerbankboy
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

lane it is then. Odd call tbh

Indeed, no shortage of back 3 players and still only 3 centres.

Foxy training tomorrow according to Beeb, good news there at least.


Posted By: thommo
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

lane it is then. Odd call tbh
Don't find it odd good player far better than Amos who was selected ahead of him. 


Posted By: stradeyscarlet72
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 7:55pm
agreed. Sadly Amos appears to be wholly out of his depth . Glad we didn’t sign him ! 


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 8:08pm
Odd that Patch and halfpenny were left unused subs in the france game Wales looked flat for the most part. 

Lane is a solid player but I can’t see him getting a game unless Parkes and Foxy are both out. Scott is way off form and fitness, unfortunately his move to the Ospreys has really seen a drop in his play, that being said they have champions cup and we don’t. 

Realistically we need to sign a player who can play there. I too repeat what others have said, i think Foxy and Parkes will be out for a long while after the cup.


Posted By: stradeyscarlet72
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 8:14pm
agreed that Scott is a shadow of his former self.  There’s a welsh qualified centre called Tompkins ? At sarries.  Perhaps a target for us as a future replacement.


Posted By: henry_winkler
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Odd that Patch and halfpenny were left unused subs in the france game Wales looked flat for the most part. 

Lane is a solid player but I can’t see him getting a game unless Parkes and Foxy are both out. Scott is way off form and fitness, unfortunately his move to the Ospreys has really seen a drop in his play, that being said they have champions cup and we don’t. 

Realistically we need to sign a player who can play there. I too repeat what others have said, i think Foxy and Parkes will be out for a long while after the cup.

We have Fonotia,Steff,Baldwinand (Asquith when fit in 6 weeks) and dare I say Nicholas. Plus a few have mentioned Osian Knott?

This is the time for the youngsters to get game time and not go signing journeymen. Plus I wouldn't mind seeing Patch at 12 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 8:20pm
oh mr fonz it was going well until you wanted patch at 12

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Posted By: Huwbach
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 8:22pm
Lane has got size and pace. The way Gats likes them. Inexperienced though. I’m guessing North will show up in the centre?


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 21 October 2019 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Odd that Patch and halfpenny were left unused subs in the france game Wales looked flat for the most part. 

Lane is a solid player but I can’t see him getting a game unless Parkes and Foxy are both out. Scott is way off form and fitness, unfortunately his move to the Ospreys has really seen a drop in his play, that being said they have champions cup and we don’t. 

Realistically we need to sign a player who can play there. I too repeat what others have said, i think Foxy and Parkes will be out for a long while after the cup.


We have Fonotia,Steff,Baldwinand (Asquith when fit in 6 weeks) and dare I say Nicholas. Plus a few have mentioned Osian Knott?

This is the time for the youngsters to get game time and not go signing journeymen. Plus I wouldn't mind seeing Patch at 12 


With regards Osian Knott watched this young man in the three home A games this season, the lad his QUALITY!!! Going to be a great 12 moving forward, only 19 but 6ft 3inches a solid defender, excellent kicker and strong runner, he also seems to have so much time on the ball .


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 12:50am
Originally posted by thommo thommo wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

lane it is then. Odd call tbh
Don't find it odd good player far better than Amos who was selected ahead of him. 
you dont find it odd. A back rower is injured two centres carrying knocks and we call up a winger?  Good player but seems odd to me


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 6:13am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by thommo thommo wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

lane it is then. Odd call tbh
Don't find it odd good player far better than Amos who was selected ahead of him. 
you dont find it odd. A back rower is injured two centres carrying knocks and we call up a winger?  Good player but seems odd to me
agreed. 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 7:56am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by thommo thommo wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

lane it is then. Odd call tbh
Don't find it odd good player far better than Amos who was selected ahead of him. 
you dont find it odd. A back rower is injured two centres carrying knocks and we call up a winger?  Good player but seems odd to me

I'm with you RR1972. I appreciate that Scott has been injured but he attended pre Japan training and has played 3 games for the Ospreys. Add to that his vast big game experience & you have the perfect back up to a midfield which is carrying some major baggage. Lane, in comparison, has never started a pro 14 game at 13 let alone an International. The thought of either Lane or North defending at 13 against any of the remaining 3 teams frightens the hell out of me. 


Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 10:03am
It reflects the lack of alternative centre options I'm afraid. I can only assume they got feedback to say Scott still not A1 and have taken the decision that George in centre is better than a non-A1 Scott. A fully fit on on-form Scott would for sure be flying out there, and probably would have made the initial squad. But Watkins does a good job and so if Foxy back fit for Saturday and Hadleigh still fit to play then we have 3 genuine centres still.


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 11:12am
It’ll be Halfpenny to fullback, Sanjay to wing and North to centre. 


Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 11:53am
We in Wales have strength in depth but NOT in all positions.

Centre is undoubtedly one where we lack strength. We have already seen how Warren dealt with Samson & Rob, who both played far more than Scott over the past season, and also were probably fitter than him going into World Cup camp.

After the 3 in Japan and Scott, who is the next one and fit enough to go into a game, knowing the patterns and style of play. I can't think of any !!

Due to being in Japan I have only seen the last Scarlet game and while the 2 props played I do feel that they are a little off the pace, especially for key World Cup matches. By the way I take no satisfaction in saying that.

I feel that while Scott was probably Warren's preferred choice but the feedback from the Ospreys and others may well have convinced him to go for Owen Lane.

Experience is one thing money can't buy, BUT it must be backed up with fitness, and especially match fitness. 

Remember playing in 3 games in the Pro14 is nothing like the games in Japan. I really feel for Scott who if 100% fit was a certaintinty for the party, but little has gone his way since the move to Ospreys.

Just good luck Scott for the rest of the season.


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

We in Wales have strength in depth but NOT in all positions.

Centre is undoubtedly one where we lack strength. We have already seen how Warren dealt with Samson & Rob, who both played far more than Scott over the past season, and also were probably fitter than him going into World Cup camp.

After the 3 in Japan and Scott, who is the next one and fit enough to go into a game, knowing the patterns and style of play. I can't think of any !!

Due to being in Japan I have only seen the last Scarlet game and while the 2 props played I do feel that they are a little off the pace, especially for key World Cup matches. By the way I take no satisfaction in saying that.

I feel that while Scott was probably Warren's preferred choice but the feedback from the Ospreys and others may well have convinced him to go for Owen Lane.

Experience is one thing money can't buy, BUT it must be backed up with fitness, and especially match fitness. 

Remember playing in 3 games in the Pro14 is nothing like the games in Japan. I really feel for Scott who if 100% fit was a certaintinty for the party, but little has gone his way since the move to Ospreys.

Just good luck Scott for the rest of the season.

I agree with your comments - and your guesses are likely correct.

Like you, I haven't seen Rob or Samson pulling up any trees so far this season - against weakened opposition, too. I have said before that the coaches mustn't have thought they were fit enough - and I daresay the same applies to Scott, unfortunately.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 3:26pm
The term used by Gatland was durability not fitness. 3 starts in 3 games suggests he may have been wrong. So far they have got away with it - that could end come Sunday if either of the starting props get injured early doors or if its tight with 20 minutes to go. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 3:28pm
To follow up on that post I have to give some credit to both Dillon & Rhys when they came on last Sunday. I appreciate they were scrummaging against 7 guys but they did well. 


Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 22 October 2019 at 3:39pm
GPR, I honestly would have thought that being left behind would have made the 2 think about the future, and really make a statement, I haven't seen that and others have told me more or less the same.

The intensity just doesn't seem to be there, and reluctantly it will be a hard road back for the 2 of them.

As I said playing in the Pro 14 is one thing, on the World Cup scene it is so different.


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Posted By: sgsmorgan
Date Posted: 25 October 2019 at 1:40pm
Anyone know the real score here? Is he OK or just Gats hedging his bets as on Breakfast TV they were quoting the Coaching Team talking about hoping he was fit?


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 25 October 2019 at 2:53pm
Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

Anyone know the real score here? Is he OK or just Gats hedging his bets as on Breakfast TV they were quoting the Caching Team talking about hoping he was fit?

The 'caching' team, eh? Hope you don't really think they're cachu!


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Posted By: sgsmorgan
Date Posted: 25 October 2019 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

Anyone know the real score here? Is he OK or just Gats hedging his bets as on Breakfast TV they were quoting the Coaching Team talking about hoping he was fit?

The 'caching' team, eh? Hope you don't really think they're cachu!


Clap Note to self.... check for typos before posting.... amended.



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