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Topic: Gatland stays until 2019
Posted By: Westwalian
Subject: Gatland stays until 2019
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 2:59pm
Warren has signed a new deal to stay as Wales coach until after the 2019 world cup...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/25402070



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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 3:06pm
Is that supposed to be good news?


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 3:20pm
I have my doubts about this sort of dynasty -Lewis is teeing up all his Aces in the pack -coach of the year etc to enhance his popularity as a great leader !

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Posted By: rhys763
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 3:35pm
Anyone know if Shaun Edwards, Rob Howley and Robin McBryde are contracted until after the 2019 RWC?


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Is that supposed to be good news?
Well yes of course it's good news for the national side!

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: bazlewis
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 4:11pm
Giving any sports coach a long term contract can kick you in the nuts. If Wales don't get out of the group at the next World Cup everyone who thinks he is unbeatable now will soon be jumping on his back, after they have crucified the outside half.

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Posted By: :Cofiwch Dryweryn
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by bazlewis bazlewis wrote:

Giving any sports coach a long term contract can kick you in the nuts. If Wales don't get out of the group at the next World Cup everyone who thinks he is unbeatable now will soon be jumping on his back, after they have crucified the outside half.


I agree but he could well be the outsider we need to act as a go between the WRU and regions.
What I mean by outsider he is not Welsh and the politics that goes with it wont be so engrained in his mind.


Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by bazlewis bazlewis wrote:

Giving any sports coach a long term contract can kick you in the nuts. If Wales don't get out of the group at the next World Cup everyone who thinks he is unbeatable now will soon be jumping on his back, after they have crucified the outside half.

Unless he's got a couple of release clauses, of course - one for the Lions and one for when the All Blacks come knocking. If Wales bomb in RWC 2015, it won't be his fault, unless it turns out he could have influenced Roger to keep more players playing in Wales.




Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 6:34pm
we done this with henry and ended up payting him off/


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

we done this with henry and ended up payting him off/
Don't think you can compare this to Henry

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: Turkish Fez
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 8:22pm
How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

we done this with henry and ended up payting him off/
Don't think you can compare this to Henry
wait till we start losing,we will see then.


Posted By: TonduTurk
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 9:02pm
i wonder if Roger's new contract offer to Gatland was the same deal that Gatland was on in 2008 ?.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

we done this with henry and ended up payting him off/
Don't think you can compare this to Henry
wait till we start losing,we will see then.
Ye but will we though. Remember in terms of the Six Nations we are best side as it stands in terms of our calibre of player. Only thing is obviously release for players.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: bazlewis
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 9:07pm
That is a bloody good point there Tondu. There is money to make Lewis look better.

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Posted By: Iwlew
Date Posted: 16 December 2013 at 9:55pm
12 years to be as head coach then.

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 17 December 2013 at 3:27am
Originally posted by TonduTurk TonduTurk wrote:

i wonder if Roger's new contract offer to Gatland was the same deal that Gatland was on in 2008 ?.
 
 
LOL...is it bollox!


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 9:58am
Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 10:40am
We wont win the WC, we cant even beat NZ or SA for what is like 50 years......Gatty is a poodle.



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Posted By: InTheBath
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 10:56am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 11:37am
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

We wont win the WC, we cant even beat NZ or SA for what is like 50 years......Gatty is a poodle.

Look at his CV and what happened in Ireland when he was coach there. There is no basis whatsoever for you to call this guy a poodle.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 11:37am
Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
Wales have the players to do it though.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: InTheBath
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 11:39am
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
Wales have the players to do it though.


Do we?


Posted By: ScarletSpiderman
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:13pm
Gats has a good CV, but he also has taken us to one of our worst runs of losses in history!  Under him it is either a feast or a famine.
 
Whilst a semi-final in the RWC was good, it was not the hardest of routes there.  We beat Namibia, Samoa, Fiji and Ireland, but lost to South Africa, France and Australia.  That means we only won 1 game more than we lost.  That isn't really a brilliant result.
 
Under Gats we have played that god awful crash ball, mindless kicks, and typewriter back play (one touchline to the other and back again).  It has won games for us, but has also been so transparent that decent sides have coped with it no problems.
 
Unless Gats can find another tactic, or a plan B, the I fear we will continue to go from boom to bust and back again, for the next 6 years.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
Wales have the players to do it though.


Do we?
Lack a top out half, and depth at 9, 8, and 3. Everything else is in place.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by ScarletSpiderman ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Gats has a good CV, but he also has taken us to one of our worst runs of losses in history!  Under him it is either a feast or a famine.



 
Whilst a semi-final in the RWC was good, it was not the hardest of routes there.  We beat Namibia, Samoa, Fiji and Ireland, but lost to South Africa, France and Australia.  That means we only won 1 game more than we lost.  That isn't really a brilliant result.

 

Under Gats we have played that god awful crash ball, mindless kicks, and typewriter back play (one touchline to the other and back again).  It has won games for us, but has also been so transparent that decent sides have coped with it no problems.

 

Unless Gats can find another tactic, or a plan B, the I fear we will continue to go from boom to bust and back again, for the next 6 years.


revisionist history there we lost to the boks by 1 point when a 3 pointer was incorrectly ruled out, we lost to France when we had 14 men for over an hour.

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by ScarletSpiderman ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Gats has a good CV, but he also has taken us to one of our worst runs of losses in history!  Under him it is either a feast or a famine.



 
Whilst a semi-final in the RWC was good, it was not the hardest of routes there.  We beat Namibia, Samoa, Fiji and Ireland, but lost to South Africa, France and Australia.  That means we only won 1 game more than we lost.  That isn't really a brilliant result.

 

Under Gats we have played that god awful crash ball, mindless kicks, and typewriter back play (one touchline to the other and back again).  It has won games for us, but has also been so transparent that decent sides have coped with it no problems.

 

Unless Gats can find another tactic, or a plan B, the I fear we will continue to go from boom to bust and back again, for the next 6 years.


revisionist history there we lost to the boks by 1 point when a 3 pointer was incorrectly ruled out, we lost to France when we had 14 men for over an hour.

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score.

When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job
Some people on here fail to acknowledge that.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:31pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Westwalian Westwalian wrote:

Warren has signed a new deal to stay as Wales coach until after the 2019 world cup...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/25402070

I hope the WRU have a break clause if it turns sour, which can easily happen even with top coaches. We don't want a Eddie O'Sullivan situation.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
We have a group of players capable of beating anyone on the day, and we can most definitely beat Australia and England at Twickenham. The question is, will we bottle it in the World Cup, like we usually do, when it counts.
 
I also think that we have the best possible chance of beating these teams with Gats in charge, he is an excellent coach.


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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
We have a group of players capable of beating anyone on the day, and we can most definitely beat Australia and England at Twickenham. The question is, will we bottle it in the World Cup, like we usually do, when it counts.
Exactly it is all on the day. Impossible to predict, but with Gatland having his players in camp for a significant period of time prior to the tournament, if we stay clear of too many injuries, and have a bit of luck we can make a big impact.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

A try in the last play of the game put a gloss on it that we didn't really deserve. We were comprehensively outplayed in the 3rd/4th place match, as we were when Australia beat us in our "homecoming match" a few weeks later. We didn't come close to winning either. 

Gatland probably wouldn't have any Grand Slams, plus a Pool stage RWC exit to his name, had he had Rowland Phillips in charge of defence rather than Edwards. Jenkins would've had a respectable 6 Nations and a RWC QF with Edwards, or Mike Ford, who he asked the WRU to go and get. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?


Edwards wouldn't have worked under Jenkins.

If you defend Gypo;s record but have a go at Gatland then you can't be serious.

I love Gypo for his time here but the way he ran the welsh camp was laughable, no discipline, players on the lash and tours that have been described by players involved as the world's longest stag night will not cut it at test level.

Wales proably won't win the world cup but the coach has to think we can and I think we can make the final and no matter what anyone says about Gatland style of play.

His record of success proves it works


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

A try in the last play of the game put a gloss on it that we didn't really deserve. We were comprehensively outplayed in the 3rd/4th place match, as we were when Australia beat us in our "homecoming match" a few weeks later. We didn't come close to winning either. 

Gatland probably wouldn't have any Grand Slams, plus a Pool stage RWC exit to his name, had he had Rowland Phillips in charge of defence rather than Edwards. Jenkins would've had a respectable 6 Nations and a RWC QF with Edwards, or Mike Ford, who he asked the WRU to go and get. 
I think that's way off the mark myself.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

A try in the last play of the game put a gloss on it that we didn't really deserve. We were comprehensively outplayed in the 3rd/4th place match, as we were when Australia beat us in our "homecoming match" a few weeks later. We didn't come close to winning either. 

Gatland probably wouldn't have any Grand Slams, plus a Pool stage RWC exit to his name, had he had Rowland Phillips in charge of defence rather than Edwards. Jenkins would've had a respectable 6 Nations and a RWC QF with Edwards, or Mike Ford, who he asked the WRU to go and get. 
We were beating them with 20 mins to go.

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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: InTheBath
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

A try in the last play of the game put a gloss on it that we didn't really deserve. We were comprehensively outplayed in the 3rd/4th place match, as we were when Australia beat us in our "homecoming match" a few weeks later. We didn't come close to winning either. 

Gatland probably wouldn't have any Grand Slams, plus a Pool stage RWC exit to his name, had he had Rowland Phillips in charge of defence rather than Edwards. Jenkins would've had a respectable 6 Nations and a RWC QF with Edwards, or Mike Ford, who he asked the WRU to go and get. 
We were beating them with 20 mins to go.


If only matches finished after 60 minutes eh?


Posted By: snowhite7
Date Posted: 02 January 2014 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by TonduTurk TonduTurk wrote:

i wonder if Roger's new contract offer to Gatland was the same deal that Gatland was on in 2008 ?.





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