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Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletnut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace
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Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace


Don't be silly, we have the massive super end of season surprise....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace


Don't be silly, we have the massive super end of season surprise....

Cochyn's 2-year deal (as revealed in another thread)?
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Our Vision as a rugby club is to be the best - or it should be. It's that simple.

Everything else is almost irrelevant. Nothing else the club does can come close to the league run in in 2017 or last season's Toulon and La Rochelle games. 

You have to be in the KO stages of competitions to generate big crowds and big atmospheres. 

The 'best' by what metric?

Revenue?
Profit?
Trophies?
Games won?
Attendances?
Developing home grown talent?
Most songs?

Saracens win but don't fill 10,000 every week
Exeter turn a profit but they can't get out the European group stages
Clermont don't always win, but can create a big atmosphere every week

Comparing it to soccer, Real Madrid are 'the best' club by European trophies, but a famously bad atmosphere around the club. Would you rather be like like Chelsea FC or Borussia Dortmund etc. 

I think that's the point of this thread - everyone wants to win. But how should the Scarlets win?
Winning games and competitions. I thought that was obvious
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace


Don't be silly, we have the massive super end of season surprise....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dyniol53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:


Winning games and competitions. I thought that was obvious

It seems obvious on paper. But should we be winning games and trophies while racking up huge debts, with no home-grown players, singing Ole Ole Ole West Wales Super Eagles?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wasp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by pillory pillory wrote:

Surprised at this, to be honest.
It felt like the board gave Pivac and Co a very clear mandate for style of play, as well as playing targets.
It is evident that the organisation feels a strong sense of community within the wider region is critical.
And it is clear they believe respect for past accomplishments and the importance of continuity in all the above is important.

If none of this is clear on the outside, perhaps it is more a communication job that needs to be done than a substantive one?
Your absolutely right and I think it is clear. 
Agreed.
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace
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must be so empowering to be in the know must be such a buzz.
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:


Winning games and competitions. I thought that was obvious

It seems obvious on paper. But should we be winning games and trophies while racking up huge debts, with no home-grown players, singing Ole Ole Ole West Wales Super Eagles?
it's a balance between home grown players many of whom are world class over the years and intelligent signings not ones who have fallen off an ambulance.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dyniol53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 7:32pm
Initial feedback from the survey looks like this:


I'll share the more qualitative feedback on the weekend.


Edited by dyniol53 - 09 May 2019 at 11:28am
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Initial feedback from the survey looks like this:

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I'll share the more qualitative feedback on the weekend.
Thanks. It’s really interesting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wasp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 10:48pm
Interesting stuff, cheers!

One note about plucky Exeter and their small budget, they have income of £17m, a wage bill of £10m and a debt of £12m.

But they made a profit of £1m last season as well.
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It's not so much the size of the figures in Exeter's accounts but more the perception of how they go about business. Alot of stability (Baxter has alot to do with that), alot of homegrown talent, not alot of poaching world superstars, alot of reworking mediocre players from elsewhere (Damian Welch) and an appearance of being very community based. Some of this is possibly more perception than fact but they are definitely not an English version of Toulon. And their stadium could do with a rebuild.
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Originally posted by John John wrote:

It's not so much the size of the figures in Exeter's accounts but more the perception of how they go about business. Alot of stability (Baxter has alot to do with that), alot of homegrown talent, not alot of poaching world superstars, alot of reworking mediocre players from elsewhere (Damian Welch) and an appearance of being very community based. Some of this is possibly more perception than fact but they are definitely not an English version of Toulon. And their stadium could do with a rebuild.

They are definitely a well run and well supported success story. Let us not forget that the homegrown talent starts with Baxter. It will be interesting to see how Tom Price performs next season. My feeling is that he will improve as the forward coaching is superior.
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Exeter are lucky in one way, and they have developed that, there is no major rugby side for at around 2 hours travelling time to the east ish, and certainly nothing to the west.

Good marketing helps, and a large catchment area, and quite affluent.

They started the dream when they moved and changed the name around 2000, even though they were founded before the Scarlets, something I am sorry to say Scarlets failed when the move to PYS took place.




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