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    Posted: 07 February 2012 at 7:05am
There is talk that the new regional funding deal will see each region getting a different amount of money from the WRU based on average gate, development of players etc.

Does anyone know anything?
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No but that would be great for us with amour of talent the Scarlets have playing for Wales.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote supertaf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 8:14am
What a way to even further divide our nation. Ridiculous imo.
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I think if sensibly brought in performance related funding could be good. Why should teams get the same when they are doing the same for the cause. The Scarlets have been doing loads to bring thru players, bring in crowds and have superb training and match day facilities. Deserves rewarding IMHO.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 8:29am
Wales can't resource four regions under the present model. There's no point burying heads in the sand.
 
A change to the funding model is essential as long as it incentivises developing players for Wales.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote haydn_davies Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 8:30am
Compare the Dragons with the Scarlets though.

We get roughly double their average gate.

We also provide twice as much if not three times the amount of players to Wales than they do.

Would it be fair then that the Dragons get say 30-40% of what we'd get from the WRU?

Don't get me wrong, from a Scarlets point of view it would be great, but not so great if your a Dragons fan!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 8:37am
Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Compare the Dragons with the Scarlets though.

We get roughly double their average gate.

We also provide twice as much if not three times the amount of players to Wales than they do.

Would it be fair then that the Dragons get say 30-40% of what we'd get from the WRU?

Don't get me wrong, from a Scarlets point of view it would be great, but not so great if your a Dragons fan!!
 
Maybe the Dragons should start properly developing their young players then rather than signing journeymen and trying to poach the best academy graduates produced by the other three regions every summer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 9:27am
Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Compare the Dragons with the Scarlets though.

We get roughly double their average gate.

We also provide twice as much if not three times the amount of players to Wales than they do.

Would it be fair then that the Dragons get say 30-40% of what we'd get from the WRU?

Don't get me wrong, from a Scarlets point of view it would be great, but not so great if your a Dragons fan!!


There's a review going on, and listening to Roger Lewis this morning it seems as if all possibilities will be considered. If there's not enough money coming in, I'm afraid one region will have to be downgraded - and on criteria such as gates, facilities and developing Wales players that would have to be the Dragons on current form, if it comes to it.

Of course, we had some t**t on the radio suggesting that the Scarlets would be downgraded, as we're 'the only region not based in a city'!Ouch
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scarletrover Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 9:34am
Careful what you wish for here guys. It could be that thhey would look to increase the funding for the' less successful' regions financially to level the playing field.
Remember that the Dragons are already half-owned by the WRU, and it would therefore be in their interests to see them succeed.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 9:34am
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Compare the Dragons with the Scarlets though.

We get roughly double their average gate.

We also provide twice as much if not three times the amount of players to Wales than they do.

Would it be fair then that the Dragons get say 30-40% of what we'd get from the WRU?

Don't get me wrong, from a Scarlets point of view it would be great, but not so great if your a Dragons fan!!


There's a review going on, and listening to Roger Lewis this morning it seems as if all possibilities will be considered. If there's not enough money coming in, I'm afraid one region will have to be downgraded - and on criteria such as gates, facilities and developing Wales players that would have to be the Dragons on current form, if it comes to it.

Of course, we had some t**t on the radio suggesting that the Scarlets would be downgraded, as we're 'the only region not based in a city'!Ouch
 
We'll move to St Davids thenBig smile 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M.M. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 9:51am
Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Compare the Dragons with the Scarlets though.

We get roughly double their average gate.

We also provide twice as much if not three times the amount of players to Wales than they do.

Would it be fair then that the Dragons get say 30-40% of what we'd get from the WRU?

Don't get me wrong, from a Scarlets point of view it would be great, but not so great if your a Dragons fan!!
 
Maybe the Dragons should start properly developing their young players then rather than signing journeymen and trying to poach the best academy graduates produced by the other three regions every summer.
 
Apart from maybe 3 seasons when Tony Brown funded Newport, Gwent rugby has been dire for the last 30 years.
It has consistently failed to be competative and, since 2003, Dragons have been the real under -achievers in europe. (The other 3 not being brilliant either). That does not look like changing this season.
 
There is a real problem in Gwent. I see no sign of it being addressed at all.
 
 
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Not in favour at all. In American football, the worst sides one season get the first draft picks the next season to help them. Look at the football premiership, you may as well have 6 teams in it.
feeding the rich and starving the poor seems ridiculous frankly.
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When Gatland first took over the vast majority of his team were Hairsprays. Had your  suggested payment for Wales players system been in operation then it would have finished us off.
We will also suffer years when the Academy doesn't turn out many stars. However much we can improve players with natural talent we have no God-given right to start off with the most talented youngsters, especially as we have a much lower population of registered rugby players in our region than the others. We should certainly try to equalize these numbers by changing the region boundaries, but I would be against a system which will make the less successful regions weaker, and ultimately kill one of them off.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lofty evans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 11:32am
Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Compare the Dragons with the Scarlets though.

We get roughly double their average gate.

We also provide twice as much if not three times the amount of players to Wales than they do.

Would it be fair then that the Dragons get say 30-40% of what we'd get from the WRU?

Don't get me wrong, from a Scarlets point of view it would be great, but not so great if your a Dragons fan!!


There's a review going on, and listening to Roger Lewis this morning it seems as if all possibilities will be considered. If there's not enough money coming in, I'm afraid one region will have to be downgraded - and on criteria such as gates, facilities and developing Wales players that would have to be the Dragons on current form, if it comes to it.

Of course, we had some t**t on the radio suggesting that the Scarlets would be downgraded, as we're 'the only region not based in a city'!Ouch
 
We'll move to St Davids thenBig smile 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2012 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Not in favour at all. In American football, the worst sides one season get the first draft picks the next season to help them. Look at the football premiership, you may as well have 6 teams in it. feeding the rich and starving the poor seems ridiculous frankly.
 
No-one's rich. We're all on the bones of our arses, living hand to mouth.
 
Every region is losing money hand over fist and currently the regions producing players for Wales are effectively penalised.
 
Gwent isn't under populated clubs-wise or registered players-wise. If they get their house in order they won't be penalised by this funding review.
 
Doing nothing means that all the regions will have to lose their top Wales stars to break even. Or we can be sensible and financially reward those that do produce these players so we can keep them in Welsh rugby.


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Originally posted by omri jones omri jones wrote:

When Gatland first took over the vast majority of his team were Hairsprays. Had your  suggested payment for Wales players system been in operation then it would have finished us off.
We will also suffer years when the Academy doesn't turn out many stars. However much we can improve players with natural talent we have no God-given right to start off with the most talented youngsters, especially as we have a much lower population of registered rugby players in our region than the others. We should certainly try to equalize these numbers by changing the region boundaries, but I would be against a system which will make the less successful regions weaker, and ultimately kill one of them off.
 
That's what did happen to us, effectively. We had to cut over a million off our budget, get rid of high earning journeymen and develop a team of young, locally produced players.

We had a tough couple of years, but being forced into that approach has made us infinitely stronger as an organisation now and the foundations are solid.
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