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Fscarlet
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I just feel that coaches don't have the confidence in players handling skills now.
If you look at what Wales did under Gatland, incredible defence aside, Wales handling skills were very good & they did the basics right. How many times now do we see a prop or hooker as first receiver & there's a little fumble? |
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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dr_martinov
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When many teams actively don't want the ball I think the sport has an issue. Dic's comment about the breakdown being about winning the penalty and not the ball is also very insightful. We could also look at changing the points for tries, conversion, penalties again, either increasing a try to 6 points or decreasing a penalty to 2. There would still be a lot of penalties kicked deep for lineouts but then at least there's options from that: catch and drive, ruck, out quick to backs. The downside of course would possibly be teams cynically giving away more penalties if there's a lower er... penalty but if you then bring in cards for cynical stuff that could address that. I still think my point that refs should not be expected to explain the law constantly to both sides as some sort of running coach-commentator. If someone does something wrong, ping them and then explain why. They are professional rugby players who should know the laws. The ref's interpretation will always play a large part in the game I know but refs having to say "there's the offside line" or "no, you can't go in from that angle" or even "no, don't touch it" when a player is about to catch a ball in an offside position is silly when you compare it to other sports and it means players play the ref, not the actual laws. |
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dyniol53
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Just reading an interview with a recently retired Irish centre who “didn’t fulfil his potential” in Leinster or Ireland; here’s what he says about coaching Joe Schmidt came in as Leinster boss in 2010 and Macken admits “it wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to realise I didn’t get on particularly well with Joe.” There was no hostility, Macken stresses, but he never felt Schmidt backed him to be the player he wanted to be. “He wanted me to be crash, bang, and wallop, which wasn’t how I played. I liked using my pass but I was told not to throw miss passes.” https://www.the42.ie/brendan-macken-leinster-retirement-5332536-Jan2021/ Certainly is depressing to see that - when you read the article you hear that this kid was expected to go far but the Irish system didn’t suit how he wanted to play so essentially spat him out. I think about Bierne and how incredible he was for us - and how the Irish system hasn’t fully managed to let him blossom. Then of think how many of these incredibly skilful players is rugby spitting out because they’re “not heavy enough, not powerful enough” etc |
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dyniol53
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3 weeks into the 6Nations, has anyone changed their minds?
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If the Lions tour goes ahead I’d be a worried Gatland.
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greypower1
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The forming of long caterpillars to protect the scrum half has got to be the most boring aspect of the modern game closely followed by the crouch, set, engage, collapse and start all over again routine of the time consuming scrum. Whilst I'm at it, the "meeting" before the lineout followed by the slow walk to form the lineout. I'm sure I've missed a few more boring aspects.
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Keep the faith
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Fscarlet
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I’ll give the ref his dues, when a scrum went down yesterday he told the 9 to use it if it was available rather than reset it.
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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ap sior
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1. Players must get to the line out quicker, failure, sanction free kick.
2. Refs must apply the 5 second rule at ruck time after they've called 'ball available', or change rules to make the charge down of SH's kick a free kick offence. This will reduce the caterpillar or make it defunct. 3. Change the law so that teams cannot choose a penalty scrum, unless it's an attacking 5m scrum. Those are my recommendations for change. Feel free to criticise.
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aber-fan
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Quite right - we need a lot more of this. The rugby these last few weeks is nowhere near the standard of boringness we have been used to, and to which we have an absolute right! Come on, players!
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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The Lions haven’t played since 2017.
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dyniol53
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Major League Rugby (American) are trialling some tweaks to the laws:
In addition to the enhanced communications for the referees MLR will be trialing new law variations which the referees will be implementing as the 2021 season begins March 20. • Kickers will have 60 seconds as opposed 90 seconds for any kick (conversion/penalty) and will have a kick clock to help guide them. • Seven points will be automatically awarded for any try scored directly under the posts and no conversion will be necessary. • Referees will work with stricter protocols that will limit the number of scrums to two per incident – the original plus one reset for a collapse, penalty, or freekick. • The offside line will be the feed line/channel of the scrum to allow for unimpeded access to the ball at the back of the scrum for the attacking team. • No longer will a red card mean a team plays a man down for the remainder of the match. Under the new law a red card would lead to a player being sent off and the team goes down to 14 players for 20 minutes. After 20 minutes, the player can be replaced with another player on the bench. The red carded players cannot return to the field in any event and will go through subsequent disciplinary procedures. “Our goal is to continue to offer fans and teams fast paced, competitive rugby that is safe and balanced.” said Jonathan Kaplan, Match Official Director. “We believe these new laws will enhance our on-field product while staying true to the spirit of rugby.” |
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dyniol53
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Interestingly the Aussie Rules League is introducing injury subs in response to concussion guidelines. But fans have pointed out that teams are likely to abuse it. They are suggesting that any player who comes off as an injury sub has to miss the next fixture (any game in the following 10 days). I think a similar thing could be useful in rugby. 3 normal subs allowed and up to 8 injury subs but an inj subbed off player has to miss a game.
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Mrfwon
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Run everything, ban kicking
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Scarlets!!!
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