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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M.M. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2019 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Facts are here about the educational background of our MPs:

51% comprehensive, 29% privately educated, 18% grammar (2% presumably "unknown")
45% of Tories privately educated
1 in 10 are Eton
86% Uni graduates, 23% Oxbridge


1 in 10 Eton stands out and I think it's more a case of dominance of the front benches being privately educated.

These are the stats I could find:

% of cabinet privately educated:

34% Theresa May Jan 2018
62% Coalition 2010
32% Blair and Brown
71% John Major's
91% Thatcher 1979
25% Attlee


What was the percentage of Welsh people there?
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i’d guess thatcher cabinet had the most welsh beleive it or not
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletabroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2019 at 11:31am
Another Corbyn factor is he will never have the support of serving or retired forces (the vast majority anyway) the flagrant and disgusting v support of the IRA will never be forgotten and will certainly be brought up at any election rally/contest
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100 per cent correct 👍☝️
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ffidel Bennett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2019 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

Another Corbyn factor is he will never have the support of serving or retired forces (the vast majority anyway) the flagrant and disgusting v support of the IRA will never be forgotten and will certainly be brought up at any election rally/contest


Our electorate have managed to forgive the Irish Republic for fighting for independence from the English colonial yolk -oh and also the United States and all the other countries that have had to use armed struggle to rid themselves of invaders and the colonists who have profited from the use of divide and conquer to sow hatred and division among communities. Perhaps the anger of the forces that served the colonialists should be redirected at the leaders who wanted to maintain and profit from these divisions.
Besides, I doubt you will find any support by Corbyn for the Provisional IRA, although he was sympathetic to Sinn Fein's aims of a united Ireland as are almost all but the most reactionary little Englanders.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RR1972 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2019 at 10:53pm
funny you say corbyn  would be anti ira because his deputy has called for ira members to he honoured in the past and his deputy home sec said an ira defeat of the british state is a victory for us all.! That smacks of not being pro a united ireland but being pro ira in all honesty. Anyhow that’s not his biggest fault his dreadful leadership is

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ffidel Bennett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2019 at 11:14pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

funny you say corbyn  would be anti ira because his deputy has called for ira members to he honoured in the past and his deputy home sec said an ira defeat of the british state is a victory for us all.! That smacks of not being pro a united ireland but being pro ira in all honesty. Anyhow that’s not his biggest fault his dreadful leadership is


Obviously the vast majority would prefer that an united Ireland came about by peaceful means, apart from perhaps the people who created the 6 county northern enclave in the first place and those who benefitted from being put in command and given privileges in it. But just brown-nosing them will only maintain their reign indefinitely.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RR1972 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2019 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

funny you say corbyn  would be anti ira because his deputy has called for ira members to he honoured in the past and his deputy home sec said an ira defeat of the british state is a victory for us all.! That smacks of not being pro a united ireland but being pro ira in all honesty. Anyhow that’s not his biggest fault his dreadful leadership is


Obviously the vast majority would prefer that an united Ireland came about by peaceful means, apart from perhaps the people who created the 6 county northern enclave in the first place and those who benefitted from being put in command and given privileges in it. But just brown-nosing them will only maintain their reign indefinitely.
the people who created n ireland are all dead
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

funny you say corbyn  would be anti ira because his deputy has called for ira members to he honoured in the past and his deputy home sec said an ira defeat of the british state is a victory for us all.! That smacks of not being pro a united ireland but being pro ira in all honesty. Anyhow that’s not his biggest fault his dreadful leadership is


Obviously the vast majority would prefer that an united Ireland came about by peaceful means, apart from perhaps the people who created the 6 county northern enclave in the first place and those who benefitted from being put in command and given privileges in it. But just brown-nosing them will only maintain their reign indefinitely.
the people who created n ireland are all dead


But if you want to blame anyone for the "troubles" blame them and the ones that have benefitted from the imposed division of Ireland by force, when it is against the will of the majority of the Irish people and most probably soon be against the will of the people of the artificially created 6 counties.
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I don’t disagree about ireland.Except for the following 1)most people in n ireland want to remain part of the uk 2 tbh the people in the republic don’t seem that fussed on a united ireland 3) the para military groups on both sides are basically glorified gangsters making money from criminal activites mainly carried out against their own communities. There is no”glorious cause” just a bunch of thugs. And none of what you posted  excuses labour politicians offering support to the ira not just supporting a united ireland. All of this wouldn’t matter if he was actually a good leader but he isn’t

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Well it is only a couple of hours before we find out our next PM. I am looking forward to seeing if either candidate can rescue an acceptable deal - by 31/10/2019 in Boris' case. If they are successful it will be a major humiliation of Theresa May's premiership and indeed cabinet government. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr_martinov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 July 2019 at 12:07pm
Johnson as PM sums up all that's wrong with this country in my completely biased opinion.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Johnson as PM sums up all that's wrong with this country in my completely biased opinion.

whys that then>?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SospanMawr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 July 2019 at 2:49pm
I thought one of the main arguments against/criticisms of the EU was that it’s undemocratic?

The Prime Minister was just voted in by a little over 90,000 Conservative members. That’s 0.13% of the population. 


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Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

I thought one of the main arguments against/criticisms of the EU was that it’s undemocratic?

The Prime Minister was just voted in by a little over 90,000 Conservative members. That’s 0.13% of the population. 



The new leader of the Tory Party, as in other UK parties was voted in by the Tory membership. Totally democratically. The fact that he automatically becomes PM is again in line with our democratic past. Lets not look for problems that aren't there - we will probably have enough genuine things to worry about in the next 100 days. Congratulations to Boris who will now get the chance to prove that he has what it takes. If he gets a deal through Parliament and leaves by 31/10/2019 he will be in a very strong position to call an election even though he is not required to until 2022.

One thing is sure - the next 3 months will not be uneventful in Westminster/Brussels & things will not be allowed to drift on meaninglessly as they have recently. 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Johnson as PM sums up all that's wrong with this country in my completely biased opinion.

whys that then>?

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Gawd where to start. Got into Oxford just because he was Eton. Studied Classics which isn't really much use to someone in a career making political decisions. Was in the Bullingdon Club, a fact that should immediately result in disqualification from the human race. Got a job at The Times via connections, which he was then sacked from for making up a quote (i.e. lying). Became a columnist with The Telegraph and manufactured an anti-EU blame culture off little evidence as his main reason for existing. Licked his way into a Tory safe seat where no matter how crap he was/is will never be unelected. Is utterly power-mad and ruthless whilst also having minimal grasp of details (or these "facts" things). On the plus yes he is entertaining and does have charisma. On that basis, I would say we'd be better off employing a professional comedian as our PM but you know what, I rather think we have. I take people's point a Leaver is needed so let's see what he can do. People may find out pretty quickly that bluster and bombast only gets you so far. But at this point, who else is there and what actual influence do we the voters have in the matter, either getting the party we agree with a seat let alone influencing who is PM? Which again goes back to my statement.


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