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Mike
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Regardless of the extent to which Brexit has influenced Schaeffler, the UK withdrawing from the European Single Market and Customs Union will put UK-based business with pan-European operations and supply chains at a permanent disadvantage in the future. That is beyond doubt. Moving parts, exporting and importing will not be as straightforward as it will be within the EU27.
The consequence of that will be reduced investment in the UK.
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SospanMawr
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salmidach
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Rest of the EU?
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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance - Terry Pratchett
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Mike
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Hopefully we’ll get a chance to reverse this idiocy before it’s too late. It will be bad for the UK and terrible for Wales. |
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Good grief yes! Have you seen the prospects for Welsh hill farmers and the economy that depends on them? Dark days ahead for those (many Welsh speaking) communities.
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M.M.
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Can anyone please explain to me how Llanelli and West Wales will benefit from leaving the EU.
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Mike
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Let’s sum it up.
We are one of the few UK regions with a trade surplus with the EU, so we are more reliant on Single Market membership than most areas because we still have something of a manufacturing base. We are very reliant on inward investment ie international companies with pan-Euro operations setting up here because our record of nurturing indigenous businesses is not good. We are a net beneficiary of EU structural funds. All the talk of this being our money returned is a misnomer. Welsh tax contributions to the UK contribution do not cover what we are getting back in funding. Most of the country outside Cardiff (which voted over 60% remain) is around 95% UK born, so there can be no Farage-esque nonsense about ways of life being destroyed and pressure on public services. The immigrants we do have are overwhelmingly working, paying tax and supporting public services like the NHS. Brexit is essentially a Tory policy that will result in a smaller state, so public sector employment and pay rises will be squeezed for, well, the foreseeable. UK government will do trade deals with the USA and China. The Americans will decimate our agricultural industry and the Chinese will force our manufacturing into even more extreme competition, and that clearly includes steel. So, all in all, what the hell were we thinking. |
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Ah, well see as rich blokes who are already well connected and wealthy get even richer some of the wealth will trickle down our way ... allegedly. |
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Agree with everything you've said bar one thing. It appears that some 600k folk have left Wales over the last 20 years. It also appears that a similar number have moved the other way. At the same time the mean age of a Wales resident has been inching upwards. It's clear that younger people are leaving for economic opportunity and many older are coming here, probably because of the lower cost of living and housing. That is a shocking level of churn. When you match that with figures like 40% of house sales in some areas going as second homes it really makes me fearful for the future of our communities, particularly the last remaining Welsh speaking areas. Add the loss of the CAP and we are faced with massive demographic change. Will Wales as we know it still exist in another 20 years time? It's not just Brexit, Wales has been shockingly poorly governed for eons now.
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Mike
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Yes but that’s overwhelmingly a UK issue, isn’t it. Young Welsh people moving to England for economic opportunities, being replaced by retirees from the other direction. Mainly caused by UK policy creating huge regional inequalities. And Brexit hands the people responsible a mandate and opportunity to ramp this up even more.
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The replacement of the EU CAP. It affects areas in Y Fro Gymraeg because they are overwhelmingly rural areas dependant on the agricultural economy.
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Agree - Brexit will exacerbate this in many areas as the economy inevitably reconfigures. That's what hacks me off about this mainly right-driven vanity project. They don't care what the fall out is for communities. I think it will hit Wales disproportionately. It reminds me of the immediate post-industrial aftermath in S.Wales. There was a headlong ideological rush by the Thatcher government to shut down or otherwise reduce the UK's industrial sector and to hell with the social consequences. A similar thing happening again imho.
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You fail to explain why this lady decided to return to Germany. Surely you are not suggesting that it was a direct result of the Brexit vote? Currencies fluctuate for a variety of reasons - I can recall the Euro being 1.05 long before the Brexit vote along with the dollar being almost equal to the £ again long before the Brexit vote. I have to have a wry smile when I hear ardent remainers quote Farage & Boris. What about the total bull...t which came out of the remain champions like Osborne. A lot of nonsense has been talked about by both sides so let us try and get off our soap boxes and deal with the reality - a democratic vote took place; the Government are doing the correct thing and negotiating a leave deal. When that deal is done we can all have our opinions on the success of that deal but please do not insult my intelligence and tell me that I voted leave because of exaggerations peddled by politicians. My reasons were more firmly rooted in basic common sense :- 1. Control of our own borders - not racist by the way just common sense; 2. Control of our judiciary; 3. Removal of being run by an unelected, unaudited, twin centred - Brussels/Strasbourg bunch of overpaid bureaucrats hell bent on a centralised Europe intent on removing National identities with one currency meant to work for 27 countries ranging from Germany to Greece. It doesn't work and will never work just ask the public sector workers in Greece. There are very few worse things in life than a sore loser - so you remainers please get over it - the sun will still come up after Brexit and this nation of ours is still capable of overcoming the few bumps along the way to a better, less restricted future - and yes that does mean that there won't be food shortages or shortages of insulin - more bullsh.t peddled by remainers!!!!
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Mike
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That’s mostly paranoid nonsense I’m afraid.
Anyway, no good will come of this debate. Hopefully there will be a second referendum so whatever type of Brexit we end up with (there are loads, and often contrary versions) can be given the final democratic legitimacy it requires (in my opinion), or rejected. |
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