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ap sior
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From what I understand it is a tricky one to call. If they go for a vote of no confidence and win, then there will be an election for a new Tory leader. However, if they go for a vote of no confidence and don't win, then they can't challenge May for another year. The maths suggest that a vote of no confidence would not be carried, so May therefore could not be challenged for 12 months. |
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Wil Chips
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Can’t we sort this out the Sri Lankan way?
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Rob o'r Bont
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We would need some of the 'Old School' Politicians back to make it worthwhile, or entertaining at least. This lot are too weedy for a good old fashioned fist fight.
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roy munster
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sadly there were a tonnoe of lies and exaggeration on both sides
Leave Lies? Remainers Need To Look In The Mirror
Recently, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, blamed the Brexit vote on 40 years of lies and the lies of 'Leave' campaigners. Juncker is correct in one sense, there were many lies during the EU Referendum campaign, however these lies were from the 'Remain' side. The so-called lies from Leavers are a figment of the federalist's imagination. The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'. In reality the lies came from the 'Remain' campaign. European Council President Donald Tusk, said western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'. As I am sitting here writing this article, and as you are currently reading this, it is safe to say western political civilisation has not ended. Therefore, we must conclude this was a 'Remain' lie. David Cameron implied in a speech about the "serried rows of white headstones" that World War 3 would be upon us if Brexit occurred. The last time I checked the UK had not invaded Poland or any other country, and therefore we must conclude this was a lie. < width="100%" height="100%" scrolling="no" border="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" allowfullscreen="" style="list-style: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border-width: 0px; border-style: initial; -sizing: inherit; display: block; width: 630px; max-width: 100%; min-width: 100%; height: 354px; max-height: 100%; min-height: 100%;"> George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie, and thankfully after his sacking Osborne is no longer in a position create his 'punishment budget'. Despite Anna Soubry's claim to the contrary on a recent Question Time appearance, Remainers did suggest there would be an immediate Brexit recession. No recession to date, in fact the OECD now believes the UK economy will grow 1.8% this year, up 0.1% on its pre-referendum estimate. Even Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England, now admits he is "quietly optimistic" about Brexit. Lie number four. 3 million people in the UK will lose their jobs was the fictitious figure banded about. However, in July the claimant count fell by 8,600 to 763,600, despite an expected rise of 9,500. Another lie. "A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker has proposed an EU Army. I'm looking forward to Nick Clegg's next apology video like the one he made after his last whopper. We were told companies would leave the UK in their droves, especially in the car industry. There is no sign of this, and UK car manufacturing achieving its 12th successive month of growth in July, with production passing one million units in seven months for the first time in 12 years. Lie number 7. David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote. Enough said. The former Prime Minister also tried to claim the UK could manage its immigration policy while inside the EU. Why are 'Remain' campaigners insisting we start to control immigration in any Brexit deal then? Because we cannot control EU immigration now, proving Cameron was lying. Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. Our new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place. Lie number 10. This is 10 of many lies spouted by the 'Remain' campaign during the EU referendum. It is about time us Brexiteers challenged this ridiculous narrative of leave lies and remain truths. We voted 'Leave' for control over the laws of this country, and the patronising suggestion we are gullible idiots is quite frankly ridiculous. Remain campaigners should look in the mirror if they want to find a liar. The sooner we Get Britain Out of the EU, the better" |
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Rob o'r Bont
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Yes, Brexiteers need to challenge the Remainers Lies and lead us to the land of Milk and Honey that awaits us when we leave.
Going really well so far isn't it. PS Roy, your 10 lies are open for debate you know. For instance, the Universities' concerns were not all about H2020 funding, that's just a small part. Of greater importance for instance is the reduced collaboration on research that will occur between the UK and EU universities. This is very real.
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M.M.
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Stripping Tamils?
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Theyre not my 10. I dont believe the lies on either side or the lies about the lies.
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Rob o'r Bont
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The thing about the H2020 funding is that it came from the EU and all Universities in EU countries including Welsh Universities could bid for the same pot of funding by forming partnerships with other Universities around the EU. It was pretty much a level playing field. After Brexit, the UK part of that funding will come from Westminster and whilst the funding may be kept in place, its distribution will be different and you can be sure the Welsh Universities will struggle to get their fair share. Also Welsh Universities received vast sums of research funding from the Welsh European Funding Office which is totally separate from H2020. There is no suggestion that this funding will be continued.
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Various polls and the bookies are showing theres an appetite for a second referendum on the final deal. If that happened and the result was reversed though, could brexiteers then demand another 1? Like a best of 3 decider?
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Quite so. A lot of funding that comes to Wales is channeled through the EU nowadays - because (like it or not) Wales is one of the most deprived areas within the EU. Is it REALLY likely that the Tories - always in a minority in Wales - will be MORE generous? Or will they keep the money and spend it on tax cuts to the wealthy? I'm not holding my breath... |
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I'd have no problem with that, FWIW. At least, after 2 years of seeing these clowns making fools of themselves, people would know who and what they are voting for!
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I'm well aware that most people who voted Brexit did so to keep Johnny Foreigner out. (As my wife is French and so my kids are half French, you will understand why this idea doesn't exactly appeal to me.) The trade deal is a non starter, as most of our trade is with the EU - so trade will definitely suffer if we pull out. Laws and lawmaking - granted, the Tories want to pull the rug from under all those soft touchy-feely laws which support workers' rights, and do away with all that anti-torture legislation at the European Court of Human Rights. Human Rights? Who ever heard of such a disgraceful concept! As for the 'vast payments' - May has signed up to continue those for a while, with nothing in return. ATM, at least, Wales benefits disproportionately from those compared to England - unlike UK spending on England-only schemes like the immensely expensive Crossrail and SE2. For Wales, especially, it's a no-brainer, as we do more trade as a % with the EU than the rest of the UK - and have ports in Holyhead and Fishguard that will be vulnerable if no deal is signed. As for renegotiating by March 2019 - miracles don't happen - I'm not religious! The EU have a deal - they will not be willing to waste more time trying to appease the crazy wing of the Tory party. |
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Wales in general benefitted more than anywhere in the UK with EU funding whether it to be funding to rebuild areas, schools, community projects, countless youth worker jobs, 5x60 officers, funding for libraries, new roads, countless new developments, anything that brought business to the country...at the heart of the vast majority of it was EU funding. Yet the majority of Wales lead to a leave vote. What they have proposed in Westminster has very little mention of Wales let alone any money to Wales! The best thing for Wales as a nation was to remain. Many people voted leave for things that simply would not happen and has not happned, and more importantly will not happen. Farage has even denied that there even were buses advertising there would be x amount per week pumped into the NHS, he has even openly admitted that he was promising the world knowing he would not be able to deliver any of it - Many of the leave voters I know would love to vote again, and vote remain as it was not made clear exactly what the situation was, exactly what we get from the EU and what we would lose in the EU. What the answer is now to this mess, I have no idea - and what is more frighting, all the politicians have no clue either. Many jokes do the rounds that Trump is in the White House...Well I think we have the bigger joke and mess here. As it stands, its true what they say, "the country" want out of EU, but want to keep all the benefits and seems like we ahave negotiated a whopper price for it!! It's like wanting to cancel your sky contract but wanting all the channels anyway and pay ten times the amount for the priveledge! Edited by PE SA - 17 November 2018 at 2:25pm |
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Majority of Wales but not the majority of the Welsh ... |
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M.M.
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I have seen absolutely nothing from the Leave side to convince me that Llanelli & West Wales will be better off leaving the EU. I cannot envisage a Tory gov't based in Westminster actively investing and making up the shortfall in funding that is needed here; one of the poorest areas in Western Europe.
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Completely and utterly agree. I know it’s a small thing but it’s taken the best part of 800 years to hear Cymraeg spoken in Parliament. A fella got a reply from Jean Claude Junker recently ... in perfect Cymraeg. The tories with Redwood in the Welsh office cut Wales’ budget and they’ve done it again recently. They always promote development on the basis of adding bits of Wales on to the western English regions and never look at Wales as a national entity. It was the EU who ploughed billions of objective one funding into w.Wales and the Valleys. We cant exactly thank Labour for that either because they kept resisting applying for it. It was only after Plaid kicked up a massive fuss that they gave in. Once applied for we were duly awarded it. Now we have a Corbyn led Labour Party as equally divided on Brexit as the tories who keeps harping on about “the regions” and aided by a supine Welsh branch who are content to surrender powers despite two referenda and an act of the assembly to the contrary which they are now trying to repeal. We are in for a rough ride ahead. |
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