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Wil Chips
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Posted: 10 September 2017 at 9:19am |
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I'd really be interested in the refereeing fraternities view on it...got me challenged...
Knocked it on yep, caught it or had it in control at any point before diverting the ball in a certain direction...nope....did he need to have it under total control to do that....no idea! |
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Apparently he knocked it on and never regained full control so the next Scarlets player who touched the ball made it an offence. If he had juggled with it then brought in under full control no problem.
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ap sior
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Here's a thought ! Stick with it !
He did not have the ball under control in the classic sense of holding the ball in both hands. However, he did have it under control in the sense that he did exactly what he wanted to do with the ball, namely tap it on to a supporting player. It was clear to me that HP made a decision NOT to bring it under control in order to ship it on to a supporting player who had a run-in to the try line. You may have to think outside the box to understand what I'm trying to say here !!!!! My point does fit in with what Wil has said ! It would be interesting to have Scarletman's take on it.
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What it says in the laws...
"A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it. ‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line." To me, the bit in bold is the bit I've always defined a knock-on as. If a player regained the ball why would it be a knock-on? Wether Parkes tapped the ball back or caught it is immaterial in my eye, as he knocked the ball backwards. Very dangerous ground if players are being pinged for knocking the ball backwards. Can of worms... Edited by haydn_davies - 10 September 2017 at 10:35am |
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ap sior
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Last night's game has gone now as has the 5/7 pts we could/should have had. If the ref believes that he made the correct decision then we live with it. However going forward I think that this needs clarification from higher authority. Without attaching blame, was the ref right or wrong in his interpretation ? Players, coaches referees and supporters deserve an answer. Personally I thought that it was a brilliant piece of quick thinking by Hadleigh to keep the move going.
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This is exactly the way I have always understood the law (since it was changed ages ago to allow 'juggling' - in the harsher times of my youth, such juggles were 'knock ons' under the law, regardless of whether the player went on to regain control). Now, either the law has been changed since last season (entirely possible) or the ref introduced a completely new and personal interpretation of the old laws. Scarletman/any qualified refs - please help!
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Deserved a point for his juggling skills I think.
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I'm not neccesarily qualified to state the laws but I wouldn't have given a knock on and I doubt anyone would have complained
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So If he juggles it forward but then re-catches it/gets it under control before he then passes it backwards I THINK thats ok
BUT if he juggles it forward and doesnt quite catch it / control it before passing it on , then maybe thats not ok? Am I on the right track here?
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That was the ref's view yesterday. We await a definitive answer on whether he was right/making it up as he went along from Scarletman or similar!
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I was more concerned about the referee's negligence towards player safety
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Hadleigh never caught it. And he never possession. |
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No, but we often see players flicking the ball on when under pressure, without being blown up. So 'catching' as such is not the issue here. The issue is whether you can juggle forwards, then flick backwards, without being pinged. It does look as if either the laws have changed, or the interpretation has - from that ref anyway. No-one on SF has seen this sort of thing called a 'knock on' before, as far as I can see. We still await a 'proper' ref to come on here and clarify!
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I just hope that this ruling will be consistent throughout. As one of the commentators said last night,if that was sonny bill playing for the AB's, that would have been an awesome piece of skill and an excellent try.
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Last night's ref was consistent, as he gave two more knock-on decisions in similar circumstances. We still don't know if the rest of the 'refereeing community' will interpret the law in the same way.
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I agree. He was, but I was talking about ref's around the globe in general. Different refs interpret the law differently. Just hope that's not the case
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