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I just feel that coaches don't have the confidence in players handling skills now.

If you look at what Wales did under Gatland, incredible defence aside, Wales handling skills were very good & they did the basics right. How many times now do we see a prop or hooker as first receiver & there's a little fumble? 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Yes interesting comments from Cipriani. Would I pay more to travel to watch a team with Cipriani playing 10 and allowed to play what was in front him over watching Farrell continually kick - for sure. The defensive negative tactics employed by most in the game will mean that England will always be there or thereabouts in competitions. However, as South Africa proved, no plan B = defeat when plan A doesn't work. 

When they come up against a side they cannot bully, who meet them head on the gainline and compete just as hard at set pieces they are going to need more. They may well come unstuck this season against France for that very reason. 
I love watching Cipriani play when he’s at his best but he’s like a sieve in defence 
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

The mind-set is depressing,and it's logical conclusion is to avoid passing/handling/running with the ball.I do think there's a valid argument re.subs.

It is very depressing. I never thought I wouldn't be incredibly excited about the 6 nations but I am not feeling it this year as I know that the sides are now preferring to kick the ball away & prey on mistakes from the oppostion.

The interview with Cips says that Eddie doesn't want England to have the ball but in all truth with the 2 flankers & backs they have got they are capable of playing a very attractive style of rugby.

When many teams actively don't want the ball I think the sport has an issue. Dic's comment about the breakdown being about winning the penalty and not the ball is also very insightful. We could also look at changing the points for tries, conversion, penalties again, either increasing a try to 6 points or decreasing a penalty to 2. There would still be a lot of penalties kicked deep for lineouts but then at least there's options from that: catch and drive, ruck, out quick to backs.

The downside of course would possibly be teams cynically giving away more penalties if there's a lower er... penalty but if you then bring in cards for cynical stuff that could address that. I still think my point that refs should not be expected to explain the law constantly to both sides as some sort of running coach-commentator. If someone does something wrong, ping them and then explain why. They are professional rugby players who should know the laws. The ref's interpretation will always play a large part in the game I know but refs having to say "there's the offside line" or "no, you can't go in from that angle" or even "no, don't touch it" when a player is about to catch a ball in an offside position is silly when you compare it to other sports and it means players play the ref, not the actual laws. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 January 2021 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Yes interesting comments from Cipriani. Would I pay more to travel to watch a team with Cipriani playing 10 and allowed to play what was in front him over watching Farrell continually kick - for sure. The defensive negative tactics employed by most in the game will mean that England will always be there or thereabouts in competitions. However, as South Africa proved, no plan B = defeat when plan A doesn't work. 

When they come up against a side they cannot bully, who meet them head on the gainline and compete just as hard at set pieces they are going to need more. They may well come unstuck this season against France for that very reason. 
I love watching Cipriani play when he’s at his best but he’s like a sieve in defence 
Shame he never played on the same side as Sivivatu. Wink
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Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Much of the problem lies with the coaches,and not the law-makers.

I don't know what the answer is but if you look at lower league, we have less subs (yes I know its not even close to being on the same level as the pro game but still) & I feel the game is better for it. 
The mind-set is depressing,and it's logical conclusion is to avoid passing/handling/running with the ball.I do think there's a valid argument re.subs.

Just reading an interview with a recently retired Irish centre who “didn’t fulfil his potential” in Leinster or Ireland; here’s what he says about coaching

Joe Schmidt came in as Leinster boss in 2010 and Macken admits “it wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to realise I didn’t get on particularly well with Joe.” There was no hostility, Macken stresses, but he never felt Schmidt backed him to be the player he wanted to be.

“He wanted me to be crash, bang, and wallop, which wasn’t how I played. I liked using my pass but I was told not to throw miss passes.”

https://www.the42.ie/brendan-macken-leinster-retirement-5332536-Jan2021/


Certainly is depressing to see that - when you read the article you hear that this kid was expected to go far but the Irish system didn’t suit how he wanted to play so essentially spat him out.

I think about Bierne and how incredible he was for us - and how the Irish system hasn’t fully managed to let him blossom. 

Then of  think how many of these incredibly skilful players is rugby spitting out because they’re “not heavy enough, not powerful enough” etc

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dyniol53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2021 at 5:36pm
3 weeks into the 6Nations, has anyone changed their minds?
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If the Lions tour goes ahead I’d be a worried Gatland. 
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The forming of long caterpillars to protect the scrum half has got to be the most boring aspect of the modern game closely followed by the crouch, set, engage, collapse and start all over again routine of the time consuming scrum.  Whilst I'm at it, the "meeting" before the lineout followed by the slow walk to form the lineout.  I'm sure I've missed a few more boring aspects. 
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The forming of long caterpillars to protect the scrum half has got to be the most boring aspect of the modern game closely followed by the crouch, set, engage, collapse and start all over again routine of the time consuming scrum.  Whilst I'm at it, the "meeting" before the lineout followed by the slow walk to form the lineout.  I'm sure I've missed a few more boring aspects. 

I’ll give the ref his dues, when a scrum went down yesterday he told the 9 to use it if it was available rather than reset it. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

If the Lions tour goes ahead I’d be a worried Gatland. 
South Africa haven’t played since the 2019 RWC final.
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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1. Players must get to the line out quicker, failure, sanction free kick.

2. Refs must apply the 5 second rule at ruck time after they've called 'ball available', or change rules to make the charge down of SH's kick a free kick offence. This will reduce the caterpillar or make it defunct.

3. Change the law so that teams cannot choose a penalty scrum, unless it's an attacking 5m scrum.

Those are my recommendations for change. 

Feel free to criticise. 
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The forming of long caterpillars to protect the scrum half has got to be the most boring aspect of the modern game closely followed by the crouch, set, engage, collapse and start all over again routine of the time consuming scrum.  Whilst I'm at it, the "meeting" before the lineout followed by the slow walk to form the lineout.  I'm sure I've missed a few more boring aspects. 

Quite right - we need a lot more of this.

The rugby these last few weeks is nowhere near the standard of boringness we have been used to, and to which we have an absolute right!

Come on, players!
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

If the Lions tour goes ahead I’d be a worried Gatland. 
South Africa haven’t played since the 2019 RWC final.

The Lions haven’t played since 2017. 
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